To be really enjoying Boris Johnson's downfall Part 2

[ClaudineClare]

A follow on thread from

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4457488-to-be-really-enjoying-boris-johnson-s-downfall?msgid=114425763#114425763

@Blossomtoes

Probably so, but I still don't think the police will want to get embroiled in politics.

Tough. Because if a crime is suspected it’s their job, it’s literally what they’re for.

I worked in police admin for many years, I definitely knew police officers who were political. Some would have loved to be investigating the Conservative and others the Labour party. Regardless if a crime is committed they were expected to investigate it.

Notonthestairs Wasn;t there a report about Islamaphobia within the Conservative party a few years ago - I can't remember the details.

More recent
www.theguardian.com/news/2021/may/25/tory-islamophobia-report-criticises-boris-johnson-over-burqa-remarks

[quote DuncinToffee]Notonthestairs Wasn;t there a report about Islamaphobia within the Conservative party a few years ago - I can't remember the details.

More recent
www.theguardian.com/news/2021/may/25/tory-islamophobia-report-criticises-boris-johnson-over-burqa-remarks[/quote]
It came up in the leadership contest - they all promised if it was happening, it would stop on their watch. Even the one who famously described traditional Muslim women as letterboxes.

Thanks.

Depressing and utterly unsurprising.

Warsi also called the Tories out on Islamophobia.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/27/sayeeda-warsi-tory-islamophobia-muslim-prejudice-investigation

Oh, slight cross post with Blossomtoes' link. Shows that this is far from a new issue for the Tories, though.

Mark Spencer, oh dear

twitter.com/Gabriel_Pogrund/status/1485017363661602821?t=NIuBO0GE91jPsVCroP87ig&s=19
NEW: Mark Spencer, the chief whip, publicly identifies himself as the individual who allegedly told Nusrat Ghani she was sacked as a minister for being Muslim.

Moments later, he deleted the Tweets

What if Boris survives and continues to lead the party ?

I'd like to hope he has a long painful fall from 'grace' but the despicable cunt that is will have other plans already brewing

Spencer seems to have deleted tweets then retweeted. Someone give the poor chap a spade.

mobile.twitter.com/MikeHolden42/status/1485028341736521728/photo/1

@Hawkins001

What if Boris survives and continues to lead the party ?

The Tories lose the next election. Most MPs know that too.

I'm afraid the way that whips work is nothing like normal employment and, as I said, I doubt that the police will want to have anything more to do with it than they did with Cummings' flight to Durham or parties at No.10

As set out in the Matthew Parris article, this isn't normally considered acceptable conduct by whips nowadays.

Turns out that it was Gavin Williamson who made the threat, in relation to the vote on Marcus Rashford's proposals for providing food for children in poverty. Edifying, isn't it, that the government was so desperate not to have to provide food to children that it used the threat of taking away a school for children in a poor constituency?

In all likelihood Johnson was one of the hundreds of MPs who voted on the legislation. They were not, however, "his rules" as some try to claim.

Come off it. The rules around the pandemic were highly political. Do you imagine for one moment they would even have been put before Parliament if Johnson hadn't endorsed them?

What if Boris survives and continues to lead the party ?

I would hope that he would destroy the current incarnation of the party for a long, long time.

(I was pleased to see that they differentiate between an allegation and evidence, unlike some who seem to have a poor grasp of English)

Unfortunately, @Florianus, you have a poor grasp of law.

What if Boris survives and continues to lead the party ?

The country'll run out of popcorn 😄

@BarrowInFurnessRailwayStation

What if Boris survives and continues to lead the party ?

The country'll run out of popcorn 😄

Mind, I wonder how much of the public are actually interested in politics, or if they would prefer e.g. Game of thrones etc

@Trilley

In all likelihood Johnson was one of the hundreds of MPs who voted on the legislation. They were not, however, "his rules" as some try to claim.

Come off it. The rules around the pandemic were highly political. Do you imagine for one moment they would even have been put before Parliament if Johnson hadn't endorsed them?

Either way, how then would it make them "his rules" ?

What if Boris survives and continues to lead the party?

The Tories lose the next election. Most MPs know that too

He has until December 2024 before the next GE, a lot can happen over the next 3 years.
IF he survives the next few weeks, i think he will stay on and another win is a distinct possibility, even now, 30% of the electorate would still vote Tory, many of the Tory voters i know have no intention of voting for any other party.
He will also have the 'press on his side, a massive advantage, i ve been quite surprised at how these papers will lead on anything other than his woes....
Only have to look at Trump and mess he got himself into, yet still, on a pop. level, narrowly lost, though according to 10s of millions of Americans he won.......

He has until December 2024 before the next GE, a lot can happen over the next 3 years.

True, but this won’t be the last scandal and every time he throws others under the bus to save his skin he creates more enemies.

He also has to compete with all the other Tories who want to be PM.

[quote ClaudineClare]Spencer seems to have deleted tweets then retweeted. Someone give the poor chap a spade.

mobile.twitter.com/MikeHolden42/status/1485028341736521728/photo/1[/quote]
As we have already established the behaviour of the Whips is nothing to do with the Prime Minister. The Chief Whip was of course working on Boris' orders in number 10 at the time of the reshuffle and alleged conversation and was as everyone knows appointed by Boris.

Please if you wish to discuss the downfall of Ghani we should have a new thread about it as it demonstrably has nothing to do with Boris.

jgw1:
So Jacob could introduce legislation to the House or otherwise organise business that went against what the Prime Minister wanted.

Yes. He can, and does, schedule Private Members' bills and Opposition Days, and matters such as second readings of bills in which the Lords (as with the current Crime Bill) have scuppered the government's intentions.

I am quite familiar with how government and parliament worked under previous Prime Ministers and this is really quite a change.

Perhaps you are not as familiar as you imagine?

@Florianus

jgw1: So Jacob could introduce legislation to the House or otherwise organise business that went against what the Prime Minister wanted.

Yes. He can, and does, schedule Private Members' bills and Opposition Days, and matters such as second readings of bills in which the Lords (as with the current Crime Bill) have scuppered the government's intentions.

I am quite familiar with how government and parliament worked under previous Prime Ministers and this is really quite a change.

Perhaps you are not as familiar as you imagine?

So you think that Jacob chooses to schedule Private Members' bills and opposition days and to send bills to the House of Lords?

@Trilley

(I was pleased to see that they differentiate between an allegation and evidence, unlike some who seem to have a poor grasp of English)

Unfortunately, @Florianus, you have a poor grasp of law.

In that case, so must the police, the newspapers and the BBC, since they all make the distinction between allegations and evidence, saying that the police will investigate the allegations IF there is evidence of criminal behaviour.