To not get the e-mail sign off with pronoun's?

[hehimshehertheythem]

He/him and she/her at the end of an email. Margaret I know you're a woman and Jeff I know you're a man. Why are you teaching me to suck eggs. I don't get it?

I have not once never see a they/them as a sign off, so what is the actual point?

I for one will not be taking part in this madness. But would like to understand the thought behind the people that do? If there is any thought that is.

[Norgie]

@AuntyBumBum Ah, I see. Thanks 🙂

[girljulian]

@HollowTalk actually I do have my title before my name, but my title is Dr so it doesn’t help me at all! It’s amazing how many people will see Dr Julian Lastname and reply “Dear Mr Lastname…”

[Angliski]

I feel that if someone wants to use pronouns, great. But I am not interested in declaring mine. I know what I am and it’s clear from my name. I don’t see why everyone has to do it because someone somewhere decided it was worth doing.

I think you really only need them if your gender identity doesn’t match your biological sex or if there’s a chance of you being misgendered because of your name.

End of.

Agree. This. @Isaw3ships

[NothingIsWrong]

@LakieLady what if someone is not ready to be "out" regarding pronouns. Making them mandatory is terrible.

[ImInStealthMode]

I've been in regular email contact with an Ashley for several years. Never had need for a video or phone call. No idea if this Ashley is male or female, and makes absolutely fuck all difference to the work we collaborate on.

If I was referring to them to a colleague I'd say 'Ashley from Xcompany'

[OfstedOffred]

AuntyBumBum It's so that those who do want to choose non-standard pronouns don't feel isolated in making a declaration.

Which is fine until it becomes compulsory to use them and then it forces someone to make a decision when they might not be ready.

Or there's me, working in an organisation where we are pushed to state them. I don't want to, so I am made to feel isolated by my decision not to state pronouns.

Why are my feelings trumped?

No one should be made or conversely, prohibited from doing this.

[OfstedOffred]

I also don't get why you need to know someone's gender to work with them.

It should make zero difference to your professional treatment of them.

[godeeva]

This week I worked with Julianne who was known last week as Julian. No pronouns provided.
That said, I belong to an ethnic minority so my name is not obviously gendered. Adding pronouns seems to have made communication easier.

[Isaw3ships]

My workplace is encouraging this. They’re suddenly all about diversity while continuing to hire mainly white, upper MC, English staff and underpaying their predominantly female staff.
It’s lip service. I’ve been to endless diversity training and asked as a WC, gay, non U.K. woman to talk about how ‘diverse’ we are or are aiming to be and how great it is.
But it’s not great. It’s woeful how little actual diversity we have and no amount of adding pronouns is going to change that without a massive culture change at the top.

[OfstedOffred]

I also contact a lot of people from different cultures where the gender of the name is not known to me so I appreciate it when they use pronouns as Google isn't always clear

Why do you need to know their gender when you contact them?

[Isaw3ships]

My unisex name has come in handy many times at work, with overseas clients, knowing my gender has little to do with how we do business.

[MsAgnesDiPesto]

DH has a male name which has been adopted as female in this country, and just adds (Mr) after his name in his email sig - always has. The number of people over the years who’ve called and actually said ‘oh, I thought you were a woman’ means it’s worth doing, especially if he has arranged a site visit by email, they’ve never spoken, and this bald, bearded rugby player appears instead of the woman they were expecting. He hasn’t felt the need to give his pronouns, as he states Mr instead.

[DepletingDopamine]

If Margaret and Jeff add their pronouns it displays that they are an ally and won’t assume another person’s gender. It promotes inclusivity.
And no, I haven’t been on a course.

[Greywhippet]

It’s no skin off anyone’s nose to do it and it could make someone feel more comfortable with declaring who they want to be so why not? It’s not difficult

[JudgeJ]

Why are my feelings trumped?

Because unless one's feelings, opinions etc, match the current acceptable fad you will always be trumped. Hang around, next year the fad may be changed.

[AuntyBumBum]

@OfstedOffred

I also don't get why you need to know someone's gender to work with them.

It should make zero difference to your professional treatment of them.

Only so that you refer to them correctly, not treat them any differently.

[AnnaSW1]

Maybe their employees have asked them to do it. I'm a civil servant and have been asked to. I've ignored it.,

[Flammkuchen]

I cringe when I see it. It see it as performative virtue-signalling, and a sign that the sender supports the removal of women's spaces and women's sports, and
using dehumanising language like 'cervix havers'.

[FreedomFaith]

Yeah my work has started doing this. Mainly just the higher ups right now and the brown nosers. It's all a bit pointless and likely won't be a thing in a year, but it keeps someone in a job thinking of this shit.

[Ereshkigalangcleg]

If Margaret and Jeff add their pronouns it displays that they are an ally and won’t assume another person’s gender. It promotes inclusivity.

It doesn't. Look up "stereotype threat".

[pollygartertidywife]

If my work place start imposing this nonsense - which is quite possible (civil service) then I shall start including my preference is to be regarded as a rainbow unicorn- and to be addressed as such. As is my right.

[AnnaSW1]

If my employer makes it compulsory, which I doubt it will, my preferred pronoun will read, "my name is Anna, please just make you best guess.". I have never had someone use the incorrect pronoun in my whole life and so I doubt it will start happening now. I am a woman. I look like a woman and I have a woman's name.

[sleezeandwineparty]

Ohhh, I might identify as male at my hairdressers as my son plays half the price I do and his hair is longer! Result!

[DepletingDopamine]

Huge generalisation alert!
I’m guessing that the people that have an issue with this are cisgender.

[Flammkuchen]

We finds it very helpful.

regards

Gollum (we/us)