To ask would you still vote Tory after everything Boris has done and if so, why?

[bookworm1982]

My husband and I were talking about this over dinner and I'm genuinely interested in people's answers (not looking to wind anyone up).

Have never and will never vote tory.

My current MP is a tory and is the most useless prick ever to represent me. He literally does fuck all apart from prop up the government. Doesn't hold surgeries, doesn't answer emails and he's not even in a particually safe seat. He's fucking gone next election, and good riddance.

That's my hope too. I'm very middle ground. I did have high hopes for Starmer when he was elected leader, but he seems ineffective. He should be making hay at the moment but he isn't.
And yet Labour have opened up a 10+ point lead in the polls.

People saying they would vote tory to keep the SNP out of Scotland.

Have you not been paying attention at all?

The conservatives fucking HATE scotland.

You believe the tories build better foundations for the country? Are you on strong drugs

On the economy:

Labour had the misfortune of being in power when the global financial crisis hit.

The Torries have given us Brexit.

How anyone could trust the conservatives with the economy, I have no idea.

A simple example from my perspective- under labour I got plenty of benefits lots of freebies.
Conservative came in took it away, I went on to build a business to fill the void, it's a small business, but it provides for my family and I intend to grow it. I've gone from comfy with benefits to providing my family with a sustainable healthy income and now providing employment and contributing to my local economy and so on...

I love that people would vote for the most sexist misogynistic party going because “labour doesn’t like women much” even though there is a fair amount of evidence that the Tories like them even less on ALL grounds rather than one.
And “I don’t like keir so I won’t vote for them, instead I will vote for a bunch of incompetent halfwits”
And “labour aren’t very good for the economy so instead I will vote for the party who have totally destroyed the economy”
I genuinely am bemused by the stupidity

Anyone in the current cabinet who takes over is tainted by Johnson anyway.

This thread looks as if it's going to be as depressing as all the previous ones.

The people who voted for Brexit have given us Brexit

Yes I'd still vote Tory.

I do find the whole economy thing a bit odd in saying Labour can't be trusted.

• Sadjid Javid worked for Deutsche Bank and packaged derivatives which helped caused the financial crisis.

• Rishi Sunak made £100 million in a deal which triggered the financial crisis by loading RBS with debt.

• Steve Baker worked on the software that allowed Lehmans to trade dodgy derivatives and bankrupted the company.

All of these are Conservative MPs.

Yet Labour and Gordon Brown seem to be blamed for not basically not being aware of what Wall Street banks, London based hedge funds and overseas governments were doing. At no point is Gordon Brown mentioned in The Big Short as far as I can recollect.

Spending as a proportion of GDP was possibly slightly above average but not what you would call extravagant under Labour in 2007-2010. We had just about got to a point where public services were being funded at a decent level after years of neglect under Thatcher and Major.

The carnage that bankers on Wall Street and other Foreign nations spending sprees caused the financial crash as far as I can see and I don't see how people can blame the Labour government of the time unless you believe that we are the most powerful country in the world.

Also George Osbourne's austerity led to such a drop in GDP that has cost the country billions (£76 Billion according to the IMF) so why does he seem to escape such criticism?

Labour chancellors at least seem to have an understanding of the multiplayer effect on an economy. Didn't some people at the treasury have to explain to Osbourne some basic gcse economics in that his commitment to creating a budget surplus is actually a bad idea as it removes money from the economy?

I would like a credible person to lead, one that knows where to find cervixes and prostates as it's really not a trick question.

A dog turd would be better than voting Tory. But you won't stop the hard nut Tory voters voting for them. I will never ever vote for them. I'd stand myself first.

@hayley037

I do find the whole economy thing a bit odd in saying Labour can't be trusted.

• Sadjid Javid worked for Deutsche Bank and packaged derivatives which helped caused the financial crisis.

• Rishi Sunak made £100 million in a deal which triggered the financial crisis by loading RBS with debt.

• Steve Baker worked on the software that allowed Lehmans to trade dodgy derivatives and bankrupted the company.

All of these are Conservative MPs.

Yet Labour and Gordon Brown seem to be blamed for not basically not being aware of what Wall Street banks, London based hedge funds and overseas governments were doing. At no point is Gordon Brown mentioned in The Big Short as far as I can recollect.

Spending as a proportion of GDP was possibly slightly above average but not what you would call extravagant under Labour in 2007-2010. We had just about got to a point where public services were being funded at a decent level after years of neglect under Thatcher and Major.

The carnage that bankers on Wall Street and other Foreign nations spending sprees caused the financial crash as far as I can see and I don't see how people can blame the Labour government of the time unless you believe that we are the most powerful country in the world.

Also George Osbourne's austerity led to such a drop in GDP that has cost the country billions (£76 Billion according to the IMF) so why does he seem to escape such criticism?

Labour chancellors at least seem to have an understanding of the multiplayer effect on an economy. Didn't some people at the treasury have to explain to Osbourne some basic gcse economics in that his commitment to creating a budget surplus is actually a bad idea as it removes money from the economy?

YES! The only thing the Tories have done well is spreading misinformation. Aided by key shadow players in press of course...

@AnotherEmma

I have never and would never vote Tory. I would rather eat my own faeces than vote for the Tory party led by Boris Johnson.

LOL. That’s exactly how I feel about Boris’s Tory Party (though I don’t think he’ll be PM for much longer). I’ve never voted for them, so I’d hardly vote for this version of it.

Luckily the Tories are so good on women's rights that they think misogyny happens to men and women, I'd also like to add the Tory party also brought you the GRA and their starting point was TWAW, and thanks to them upskirting was blocked from being made illegal

Has the Tory party ever been on the right side of History or had an ideology that is good for the vast majority of people?

*1933-39 Encouraged by traitors such as Halifax, under Chamberlain's leadership advocated appeasement of the Nazis.
*1946-48 Voted against the creation of the NHS & social security 22 times.
*1952 Created concentration camps and sanctioned the torture, rape and murder of Kenyans in failed attempt to stop Kenyatta who was jailed.
*1956 Created the Suez crisis by conspiring with France & Israel to take back land & the canal by force. Lied about intentions to the US.
*1960 Ernest Marples the Minister for Transport commissions Beeching to destroy much of Britain's railways. Unsurprisingly, Marples had significant financial interests in Road building.
1964 Conservative MP Peter Griffiths campaigns on the slogan “If you want a ni*er for a neighbour, vote Labour.”
*1968 Enoch Powell delivers Rivers of Blood speech
*1972-74 Caused industrial action by miners/rail workers; power cuts and the 3 day week.
*1976 Margaret Thatcher wanted to Whip Conservatives to oppose the Race Relations Act 1976.

*1980s Tories Classified Mandela and ANC as terrorists & refused to sanction apartheid South Africa. Young Tories wore badges saying 'Hang Mandela'.
1980-1994 Privatisation of BT, Energy, Water and Rail which has left us with worst internet connectivity in Europe, Unaffordable energy, Rivers of sht and the worst rail service in Europe. But made Tory execs very rich.
*1988 Enacted Section 28 of the Local Government Act.
*1998 voted against the National Minimum Wage Act.
*2003-04 Voted against LGBTQ equal rights.
*2015 Passed the Referendum act leading to the Brexit referendum and the rise of overt far-right hate and racism by Farage and cronies and the proliferation of fascist groups such as Britain First.
*2020 Negotiated failing EU withdrawal agreement and subsequent Act. Supported by DUP, the Act threatens peace in NI by destroying the GFA which a majority of NI people voted for.

Attached are some of the achievements of the most recent Labour administration. Mostly all progressive, and almost all voted against by the Tories.

@WindyState

People saying they would vote tory to keep the SNP out of Scotland.

Have you not been paying attention at all?

The conservatives fucking HATE scotland.

And yet they'd still do far less damage than independence would. You thing undoing 40 years of entanglement was difficult, try untangling 300.

@Mrbob

I love that people would vote for the most sexist misogynistic party going because “labour doesn’t like women much” even though there is a fair amount of evidence that the Tories like them even less on ALL grounds rather than one. And “I don’t like keir so I won’t vote for them, instead I will vote for a bunch of incompetent halfwits” And “labour aren’t very good for the economy so instead I will vote for the party who have totally destroyed the economy” I genuinely am bemused by the stupidity

Oh look, someone branding anyone who doesn't think like them as "stupid". Really great way to win hearts and minds...

the 'no money left' note has been misrepresented to a ridiculous degree

It's also a joke, often said by the outgoing Secretary to the Treasury or the Chancellor, first recorded about 60 or 70 years ago apparently.

I once twice voted Tory (NOT recently). Never again as long as ANY member of the current Cabinet holds any post. This lot have firmly turned me back to the centre left. I also think (hope - some people are a bit slow on the uptake) that the idea that the Tories are always better at managing the economy has finally been put to bed.

Yep - would and will most likely vote Tory next time. The media has been in an overblown frenzy about the parties. Whilst I can understand how disappointing their actions were and have been, they were hardly the only rules breakers of the COVID restrictions.

The other issue is also if I don't vote Tory, who am I going to vote for? Labour is equally (if not more so) as awful, Lib Dems haven't had a decent leader in my living memory and other parties like the Greens, couldn't lead a horse to water.

Better the devil you know.

I just joined the Tory party so that I can vote for the leader (you can vote after 3 months) that K* is likely to defeat...it's £2 per month...

Some poll is likely to have me down as possible Tory voter but...