To ask would you still vote Tory after everything Boris has done and if so, why?

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My husband and I were talking about this over dinner and I'm genuinely interested in people's answers (not looking to wind anyone up).

We will - we support the party. Not just the PM. If he’s gone (and I think he should go) we will support whoever takes over .

Labour is a shit show at the the moment with no credible candidates to even put up a decent fight.

How has Johnson sorted Brexit, @WorstXmasEver? Have you see those queues for Dover? Have you noticed now prices have shot up? Aren't you wondering why we allegedly need an NI raise to fund the NHS when we were supposed to be getting £350m a week for that purpose by leaving the EU?

I would still vote for the Conservatives whether it's Johnson or not. I'm not bothered by Christmas parties, I'm bothered about Covid, employment, survival after Brexit and social care. Johnson's bumbling idiot bit is all a front, he's a shrewd and astute politician, but I would like them to start showing some compassion as the last couple of years have been a shit show for many people and this year could well be as bad. I'm a pensioner and have taken the loss of a further 5% increase on my pension on the chin as it was a fair decision. Who else would I vote for anyway as there's no competition - don't believe the opinion polls about Labour, they havent got a chance.

@Billandben444 Despite 12 years of messing things up and showing little compassion, you'll still vote for them in the hope they may change.

They've just announced a freezing of the student loans threshold, meaning more younger NHS workers will pay back more - is that an example of the Tories showing their caring side?

I didn't say they were showing their caring side, I said I would like them to show some compassion. They're not perfect but miles better than Starmer&co.

Same here. Starmer doesn't know what a woman is. Neither do the SNP. Or the LibDems. So the Tories it is. Maybe we'll get Tom Tugendhat when Boris is kicked out.

Boris is a racist, sexist mysoginist - but it's OK as one member of His party has commented on the trans issue. Don't get me wrong, I am totally one the side of women, anti self ID and support single spaces in all institutions etc, I even wear my deathly hallows lanyard with pride at school (to piss off those who don't agree) - but to say that the Tory party deserve a vote because they are for women is the biggest joke going. He referred to glistening wet female volleyball players, he called
Hilary Clinton Lady Macbeth, he refers to Emily Thornbury by her husbands name (so does not support women), didn't he call women 'hot totty' and refer to gay men as 'bum boys'. The majority of the party regularly vote on things that impact the lives of women daily.

I would rather vote for a party of respect and fight self ID with them, than vote for a party with such a terrible track record on the impact of policies on women.

Don't forget, GRA reform which started this Self ID shitshow is down to the Conservative Party. Not Labour, not Libdem, this is all on the Tories.

Weird that Conservative voters have forgotten that.

@Pieceofpurplesky

Same here. Starmer doesn't know what a woman is. Neither do the SNP. Or the LibDems. So the Tories it is. Maybe we'll get Tom Tugendhat when Boris is kicked out.

Boris is a racist, sexist mysoginist - but it's OK as one member of His party has commented on the trans issue. Don't get me wrong, I am totally one the side of women, anti self ID and support single spaces in all institutions etc, I even wear my deathly hallows lanyard with pride at school (to piss off those who don't agree) - but to say that the Tory party deserve a vote because they are for women is the biggest joke going. He referred to glistening wet female volleyball players, he called
Hilary Clinton Lady Macbeth, he refers to Emily Thornbury by her husbands name (so does not support women), didn't he call women 'hot totty' and refer to gay men as 'bum boys'. The majority of the party regularly vote on things that impact the lives of women daily.

I would rather vote for a party of respect and fight self ID with them, than vote for a party with such a terrible track record on the impact of policies on women.

COMMON SENSE FINALLY!

Nice little strawman you've knocked down there.

The GRC as you can see was not put through by exclusive conservative MPs. The actual bill developed by a mix and the voting below:

Support for the bill in the House of Commons was split broadly down party lines. At both the second and third readings (i.e. before and after amendments), all Labour Party, Liberal Democrat, Plaid Cymru and Scottish National Party votes were in favour of the bill; all Ulster Unionist and Democratic Unionist Party votes were against.[9][10] Conservative Party MPs were split on the issue, and the party leadership did not issue a whip mandating MPs to take a particular stance on the bill, instead allowing its MPs a free vote.[11] 25 Conservative MPs voted in favour and 22 against the bill at its second reading, and 20 voted in favour and 39 voted against the bill at its third reading. Less than half of the Conservative Party's 166 MPs participated in either vote.[11] Among those who voted against the bill were Ann Widdecombe (who opposed it on religious grounds), Dominic Grieve, Peter Lilley and Andrew Robathan. Among Conservative MPs who supported the bill were Kenneth Clarke, Constitutional Affairs spokesman Tim Boswell, and future speaker John Bercow.[12]

Not if Johnson remains as leader and PM. He is unfit for public office and he taints the Party.

Thank you @WorriedMumsDontSleep for showing that the Conservative party no more know what a woman is than any other. While there is cross party support and opposition for the GRA reforms, GRA reform was introduced exclusively by the Tory party and chaired by a Conservative who believes TWAW.

@AnotherEmma

I have never and would never vote Tory. I would rather eat my own faeces than vote for the Tory party led by Boris Johnson.

Much the same as I feel about Labour, having lived under their hyper-left regime.

I have never voted Tory anyway; and certainly wouldn't for Johnson. Unless his opponent was Trump or Erdogan or Modi!

Which most people have demonstrated that they are well aware of. No one is saying that the conservatives are the party of women.
What they are saying is that the actual twaw line is being reinforced by Keir Starmer and labour have greenlighted self Id.
Johnson has been largely silent on the matter so people are saying conservative is the best of a bad choice.
Some people will also not vote for labour because of their hideous bullying of Rosie Duffield and their failure to support her, especially when she's been one of the key voices calling out anti semitism in the party.
Furthermore, labour MPs have actively asked GC women not to vote for them as they don't want 'their bigoted vote'.
So it's not the voters fault. Labour have told us exactly what they stand for. Of you vote for them assuming they'll change that's naive.

I'm under no illusions about either party. In their current form they are both terrible. No amount of name calling is going to force me to see labour as the best choice.

Yes I would vote Con again. Seeing BJ skewered by Theresa May yesterday and the principled opposition to the disgraceful COVID restrictions of many MPs helps me retain some faint hope. I am able to separate the current leader from an entire political philosophy with a diverse and broad membership.

I don't think I could vote for the Con party with BJ at the helm again though. The only thing more disgusting than his COVID rules were the fact that he didn't follow them himself.

Which most people have demonstrated that they are well aware of.
Not at all @WorriedMumsDontSleep. When I've mentioned it to Tory voters most of them are surprised. They thought GRA reform was a Labour or Libdem initiative.

Well I can understand the confusion, with labour calling women dinosaurs and cervixes unspeakable and giving away female posts to people with a penis. And bullying and harassing their own members, particularly one who managed a historical feat of turning a historical conservative seat labour.

Fact is labour are now ostentatiously anti women now and you vote for the current situation not their glorious (or not history).

Maybe if labour want to be known as the non misogynistic party they should stop being so contemptuous and dismissive of women's voices and concerns. Just a thought.

Yes I would. It pained me to vote BJ on the last vote. However from a value point of view I cannot align with labour values and so it's less about leaders and more about values of party overall.

@Alittlenonsensenowandthen

Yes I would. It pained me to vote BJ on the last vote. However from a value point of view I cannot align with labour values and so it's less about leaders and more about values of party overall.

Interesting. What values do you perceive are reflected in the Tory Party?

Honesty? Decency? Standards in public life? Equality under the law? Care for the most vulnerable?

I don't know a lot about political. But I know I'm not happy with the conservatives or the other parties regarding males allowed to self certify as women.

I just remembered the co operative party. Who are they? I just saw them on a list and thought I had never heard anything about them

I think the confusion is more down to the media.

Honesty? Decency? Standards in public life? Equality under the law? Care for the most vulnerable?
Well if any of that applied they wouldn't be vilifying vulnerable women for telling the truth.
Women don't have penis. Can't get less honest that spouting they do.

@WorriedMumsDontSleep

Honesty? Decency? Standards in public life? Equality under the law? Care for the most vulnerable? Well if any of that applied they wouldn't be vilifying vulnerable women for telling the truth. Women don't have penis. Can't get less honest that spouting they do.

Sorry, I was asking what the pp perceived to be the values espoused by the Tory Party, and whether they included any of the above.

The point being that Labour do not have these qualities in spades. So why should the opposition?

If they want to be the 'moral choice' they could start being moral, rather than relying on the fact that the conservatives 'are worse'.
Boo on his way out. The conservatives may yet become filled with people who are not completely incompetent. Labour can't ride on the least worst option forever.
Particularly as, at present, many consider them the worst option.