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To ask would you still vote Tory after everything Boris has done and if so, why?

503 replies

bookworm1982 · 18/01/2022 23:05

My husband and I were talking about this over dinner and I'm genuinely interested in people's answers (not looking to wind anyone up).

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zen1 · 19/01/2022 08:16

I’ve never voted Tory and have traditionally been on the left of Labour (supported Corbyn for leader). However, I can no longer vote for a party with members of the shadow cabinet who have proclaimed on national tv that men can have a cervix. I also don’t feel the other left-leaning parties have a grip on understanding and supporting women. So, I am politically homeless.

Justcallmebebes · 19/01/2022 08:16

I will vote Tory at the next election, although not particularly affiliated to any party, because: 1. I think Boris will be long gone before the next election. 2. I don't like Keir Starmer and don't trust Labour with the economy . 3. I have a very good newly elected Tory MP

AllThingsServeTheBeam · 19/01/2022 08:17

@Justcallmebebes

I will vote Tory at the next election, although not particularly affiliated to any party, because: 1. I think Boris will be long gone before the next election. 2. I don't like Keir Starmer and don't trust Labour with the economy . 3. I have a very good newly elected Tory MP
Don't trust labour with the economy hahahaha fucking ha. Because the Tories have done fucking fantastic haven't they. Jesus Christ
tigger1001 · 19/01/2022 08:19

@Morgan12

And as for any Scottish person who would vote Tory. There are simply no words.
It's just tactical voting. If snp isn't the party for you, you will vote for the one that has the highest chance of winning that particular seat.

Where I live conservative has no chance, but other local seats they are the candidate most likely to beat snp.

On a more local level the conservative councillor has done an amazing job, far better than the other councillors - snp and Lib Dem who seem only interested in good photo ops and not tackling more controversial issues.

AlexaShutUp · 19/01/2022 08:20

My only conclusion about the voters who wouldn't vote for other parties because of their stance on women is that they must be very comfortable middle class voters with very few other things to worry about.

My job brings me into close contact with the horrendous impact of Tory rule, and believe me, lots of real women are really suffering from that impact right now. I doubt that many of those queuing up at food banks right now have much headspace to bother about whether Keir Starmer knows what a woman is tbh.

I am very unhappy with Labour's position on women, but I am really concerned that people are focusing on this to the exclusion of other issues which are equally important.

Shade17 · 19/01/2022 08:22

Yes, there’s no viable alternative.

PermanentTemporary · 19/01/2022 08:23

Agreed Alexa.

rookiemere · 19/01/2022 08:24

Same as @Mountaingoat12 . I live in Scotland and I'll grit my teeth and vote for whoever is strongest against SNP. At least the Scottish conservatives have come out fairly strongly against Boris.

SpidersAreShitheads · 19/01/2022 08:27

@Blessex

I have never voted Tory in my life but am forced to vote for them next time because every other party is throwing women’s’ rights under a bus. Labour, Lib Dem, Green and SNP support gender ideology. It is harming women and girls. So Tory vote it will have to be. First time ever. And I will tell every one of my girlfriends why.
Exactly this.

For me, Brexit was a single issue vote at the last election because it was so vital (even though things didn't end up going the way I wanted as a Remainer).

This time around gender identity and women's rights are a single vote issue for me. Things are going very very badly wrong and unless the brakes are put on quickly it will be too late.

I can't get over how Boris and co just lied at every step of the way. I can't get over how there's been no legal recriminations for the outrageous things they said and how they've mislead people. Their conduct has been shameful and bordering on corrupt. If we read about this stuff going on in another country, we'd all be shaking our hands about what a corrupt and terrible regime it is, and thank goodness the UK isn't like that.

And yet.....despite all of that I find myself currently with no choice but to vote Tory. I actually really like Keir Starmer, I think he could introduce a much more honest brand of politics but he's trying too hard to please everyone and as a result is just being ineffective. He's one of the greatest minds that could lead this country, he's an incredibly clever man, but it's being pissed away. It's such an enormous shame. He knows that it's only women that have a cervix but he's too worried about being chased down that he's not standing up for what I think deep down he really believes.

AlexaShutUp · 19/01/2022 08:27

The tories might know what a woman is, but that doesn't mean that they give a toss about their rights or their wellbeing.

TirisfalPumpkin · 19/01/2022 08:27

I’m very unhappy with BJ and I live in a ‘red wall’ formerly Labour constituency.

I would still vote blue - absolutely cannot take the risk with Labour on women’s rights and to a lesser extent, the post covid economy.

The women issue isn’t just anti-wokery or a nice to have, it’s an existential threat and if we lose our rights, legal protections and language, I think they’ll be gone for good. It’s one of the few questions that, imo, it’s genuinely worth being a single issue voter over because of what we, and in particular the most vulnerable women in the country, stand to lose.

Kendodd · 19/01/2022 08:28

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_government_austerity_programme

This was the Tories Iraq war for me. 120,000 - 130,000 killed by Tory austerity driven by ideology. I would never vote Tory and honestly don't understand how anyone could knowing the hardship they create.

PenStation · 19/01/2022 08:28

@Pat123dev

I m not a fan of Boris just now. But I would vote Tory, party antics and lies from both parties- I believe they build stronger foundations for the country. Although- I was actually probably be better off financially under a labour government, it doesn't provide for the future.
You believe the tories build stronger foundations for this country?

On what basis is this belief? I predict that by the summer the UK will be a mess economically and there will be a huge brain drain.

rookiemere · 19/01/2022 08:30

As to why don't I like SNP, well I work for a financial institution based here and if Scottish Independence happened they, and many other big companies, would move their headquarters down to England, so many jobs lost and house prices would plummet.

Already pay more taxes as marginal higher earner - tbh I didn't disagree with that when it was brought in - but educational attainment is a fiasco in Scotland and I don't think the NHS is performing any better.

Don't get me wrong, I can't see much positive about the conservative party, it just seems better than the Scottish alternative for me.

somewhereovertherain · 19/01/2022 08:33

Johnson’s a liar and a cheat. Will never vote Tory again. Brexit the biggest own goal in history.

The current crop of Tory ministers are fucking awful. Lairs cheats and lining their own and friends pockets.

Politics is broken. As it’s not a case of who you vote for. It’s who’s least worst.

charliespip · 19/01/2022 08:33

I don’t know. I only know I’d never vote for Starmer

SpidersAreShitheads · 19/01/2022 08:33

@TirisfalPumpkin I think you've summed it up really well there. It's not that we're blind to the absolute shitstorm going on elsewhere but once women's rights are given away, we're never, ever going to get them back.

There's a trans women in charge of the rape crisis centre in Scotland. A trans woman who admits they lied on their application about their gender/sex/identity. A trans woman who says that women who are raped should "reframe their trauma" and accept a rape counsellor with a penis.

Trans women are increasingly being appointed to women's roles, and voicing their thoughts and opinions - which aren't based on a lifetime growing up as female. We're being spoken over and more than this, we're being put in danger - as evidenced by the intact males being put in a women's prison, even when they have a history of sexual violence against women.

It's like some kind of dystopian novel. It goes against every inch of my being - but if the other parties are just going to give away women's rights, what actual choice is there? The economy can recover - we'll never get women's rights back again.

It's a fucking awful awful dilemma.

Spilltheteaplease · 19/01/2022 08:34

@Hapoydayz

Yes I'd vote tory. The opposition parties are a very scary prospect in comparison.
Genuine lol. Grin
Yoyokitten · 19/01/2022 08:35

Never in a million, billion, trillion years could I ever vote Tory. I remember Thatcher, still feel bitter about that heartless witch.
Been a Labour voter all my life, I'm 70.
I think Boris should definately go.

Kendodd · 19/01/2022 08:37

Also, the current Tories have a complete disregard for the peace in NI (total opposite of previous Tory government who broke their backstory achieve a peace that looked almost impossible), really, this lot, they couldn't give a shit.

WorriedMumsDontSleep · 19/01/2022 08:38

The women issue isn’t just anti-wokery or a nice to have, it’s an existential threat and if we lose our rights, legal protections and language, I think they’ll be gone for good. It’s one of the few questions that, imo, it’s genuinely worth being a single issue voter over because of what we, and in particular the most vulnerable women in the country, stand to lose.

Yes this. As for accusing people who object to self I'd being used to bulldoze women's rights as middle class.

A) there's nothing wrong with being middle class. Middle class people work full time jobs. They may have a degree but knowledge is not a crime.

B)Prisons and women's refuges will be the worst hit by self I'd. They are certainly not only used by the middle classes.

It's actually the champagne socialism attitude of labour that one could accuse being based on class. However, a lot of middle class jobs work directly with the vulnerable. teaching, healthcare, policing etc. These people are more likely to have misgivings about the impact of self I'd. It's the CEOs (like that appalling rape charity comment about reframing trauma) and the like who push self I'd has it has no consequences for them and they are very removed from the reality so can promote ideological craptrap.

Being told I am stupid by the way, will not cause me to vote Labour. I used to be a bit aggressive with Conservative voters like this. Now I'm on the receiving end I don't know why I ever thought it was a good tactic.

It's not about thinking conservative will do anything actively good for women. It's about stopping labour, greens and Dems in who will actively dismantle sex based rights. They took hundreds of years to put in, we can't afford to build.yhem up again.

Diamondsapphire · 19/01/2022 08:42

IME, a lot of teachers seem to be in favour of trans rights and have swallowed the ‘trans women are women’ mantra, plaster their social media with ‘I’m voting Labour’ at election time and profess loud disgust at the idea of voting Tory. As do many public services, in fairness. But I am more than my teaching self, if you like.

DGRossetti · 19/01/2022 08:44

@DaisyTheUnicorn

I think Tory voters will still vote Tory as it ties in with their beliefs and they don't like the alternative 😔. It does make you wonder if anything would stop them voting Tory...
Death is usually a good cure.
Ducksareruiningmypatio · 19/01/2022 08:44

Yes.
Until there is a viable alternative.

Mountaingoat12 · 19/01/2022 08:45

If you think the Tories hate Scotland have you actually read an impartial view of the economic prospects of an independent Scotland? It’s absolutely staggering how much worse off Scotland would be.