Why do men do this

[Tevion28]

Following on from the Ashling Murthy murder and the likes of the Sarah Everard I've been thinking alot as to why men do this and I can only think that they must have a deep hatred for women and feel threatened by us for some reason. What do you all think I'm not convinced that these men all have mental health problems myself.

Gosh, poor diddums men, whose life experiences haven’t given them sufficient outlets for their raping and murdering impulses.

It’s an explanation, not an excuse.

[quote AllKindsOfWrong]@eldora So? There's quite a lot of women kill men, but you don't hear any drums being beaten about that.[/quote]
There are?

@WiganDiva

Gosh, poor diddums men, whose life experiences haven’t given them sufficient outlets for their raping and murdering impulses.

It’s an explanation, not an excuse.

It's also, with all due respect, utter nonsense invented by inadequates and incels.

@eldora Right??

@PleasantBirthday The UK isn't the only country in the world.

Objectification of women. No imagination for any woman's interior life.

[quote AllKindsOfWrong]@PleasantBirthday The UK isn't the only country in the world.[/quote]
Uh huh, yeah, I'm currently in a different country myself. But where is this invented county where plenty of men kill women?

There's quite a lot of women kill men, but you don't hear any drums being beaten about that

Err women who commit murder often generate a lot of press because it's so unusual.

@PleasantBirthday The UK if this thread is anything to go by.

@Dafey It doesn't alter the fact that men and women kill each other, regardless of percentage.
Some men don't like women, some women don't like men. It's the way it is.

@Mollysocks totally agree! and another step up, how about a stronger word than absent? That's a bit tame IMO.

If he's left the mother of his children and his kids because someone new, younger or different has come on the scene thats an active choice.

If you read the newspapers in the 80s and probably The Mail last week, single Mums in the 80s were to blame for society's ills. The fact that they had been abandoned, left heartbroken, without money, support or status (as well as being unmarried by an irresponsible male) made them the culprit for all the ills in society. Nothing to do with the male.

Am going to start a new thread on it...
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@PleasantBirthday that’s fair enough and I’m not saying I’m right. It’s just my opinion. I’m saying that the urge of sexual aggression is innate in humans (and animals) and therefore means this type of crime will never be truly eradicated. Depressingly.

@Trippingslippingx1

Its all power.

When I was excepted into University (Now best in country) and ex at the time called me a loser. When I excelled in my career and wanted to do further training another ex said I was ‘psychotic and cannot be happy with what I have’. When another ex found out I made significantly more £ than him the whole relationship dynamic changed and he would shout ‘money’ at me whenever I walked into a room. A more recent guy I was dating entirely belittled my career ‘all you do is X’ (this guy had never gone to University or college and had inherited his dads business).

Its a tale as old as time - The only person I dated who had an equal footing with was someone who earned the same as me and had the same qualifications. However he had to move to America.

I have learned the hard way that Men do not waste their time with woman who are perceived as ‘above’ them in anyway whatsoever. My mother used to tell me this when I was 18 and I was so brainwashed at the time with such little expierence I did not believe her. She said my career, personality and looks will likely mean I am single for a very long time. She was right. I suppose I could be coupled up but it would be with a man who negs me and constantly puts me down. I have always had comments like above. Its exhaustion and led me to believe it was something I was doing - I read book after book about ‘feminine’ energy and dating games.

Wow! Thats sickening as surely in natural selection they would want the brightest, fittest (looking) mate? Its messed up is what it is.

Good luck, you sound phenomenal 😘

@grapewine

Because they can. It's that simple. They're stronger, and there are hardly any consequences, personally and societially. Women don't matter as much a class. Depressing, yes. But that's my take from what I see and experience.

I agree on the little to no consequences as a deterrent also x

[quote AllKindsOfWrong]@Dafey It doesn't alter the fact that men and women kill each other, regardless of percentage.
Some men don't like women, some women don't like men. It's the way it is.[/quote]
I find these arguments really dishonest.

Its a form of deceit to pretend that the overwhelming number of 'opposite sex' murders are men killing women but doesn't signify anything at all. And instead to try to feign that their is an 'killing equivalence' between men and women. I mean, its just daft.

[quote AllKindsOfWrong]@Dafey It doesn't alter the fact that men and women kill each other, regardless of percentage.
Some men don't like women, some women don't like men. It's the way it is.[/quote]
Well you certainly don't like women, All.

That comes through from your attempts to be goady.

It’s pretty much always because some get sexual excitement and sexual urges from overpowering a woman. Get turned on by harming something and feeling dominant.
Sadly this will never ever change unless humans fundamentally change their brains in century's to come.
Why? Because beneath the thin vaneer of modern polite society, we are animals with urges.
Women’s urge is to protect and nurture.
Men’s urge is to dominate, kill and have sex.
That is never ever going to change.
Yes you can put laws around those things and the vast majority of men will stick to those- ie only have sex with one partner at a time, not kill and only dominate in allowed spaces.
But some men won’t abide by those laws. No matter what society says. They either won’t or cant.
Any that’s where these awful tragedy's happen.

@AllKindsOfWrong

No idea, I don't tend to dwell on it.

Well given you offered it as a contribution to this topic, perhaps you should. It doesn't require a huge amount of research.

@Hospedia

What for example? I mean imagine I'm the PM and I'm giving a budget of £10bn, what would you do with that to make sure no woman gets attacked? I'm truly curious to hear what you think might actually be done.

• Go after absent fathers and force them to pay child maintenance with no option not to and no ability to wriggle out of it by hiding earnings

• get rid of the benefit cap and the two children cap

• harsher sentencing for domestic abusers

• support packages for people leaving abusive relationships that includes mental health support and financial help

• no unsupervised child contact arrangements for domestic abusers unless they are shown to have properly engaged with rehabilitation programmes

All of the above would go a long way to enabling women to leave unhealthy relationships and abusive relationships so that their children are not growing up in a household where fear, violence, and intimidation are the norm (it would enable men to leave these relationships too however in the context of this discussion it's about women and in real life it is an issue that mainly affects women).

• reinstate funding for Sure Start and childrens centres because early intervention improves outcomes for all children but particularly for vulnerable children

• make misogyny a hate crime with the same penalties and processes attached to other hate crimes. Promote anti-misogyny messaging via roadshows, advertising, and targeted campaigns. Have workplaces and schools include it in their diversity and equality packages alongside anti-misogyny policies

• streamlined investigative processes for violent and sexual crimes with robust sentencing measures in place that send the message "this will not be tolerated"

That's all I can think of off the top of my head, there will be more to follow.

Wow! That's an excellent start especially the top one to get the funds in to pay for the rest! I'd vote for you⬇️

I think you’ll find that there’s a lot of fuss when a woman kills a man, purely because it is such a rare event.

The fact is that a large percentage of women who kill men are victims of domestic abuse. They are victims themselves who either snap or take a chance to try and escape - look at the case of Sally Challen as a prime example.

If you read Jess Hill’s “See What You Made Me Do” she talks at length about the dead cat strategy of “women kill men too” by breaking down those statistics and examining what happens in those cases. I don’t have the book to hand so can’t quote the exact stats, but she talks about the murder rate in the US of men killing their partners and women killing their partners. When women’s refuges were opened in the 1970s the rate of women killing their partners fell by 50%. The rate of men killing their partners barely changed.

So what this tells us is that at least 50% of women were killing their partners as they felt they had no other way of escaping the relationship. When refuges opened they had a place to go and the extreme action of murder was no longer felt to be the only way out.

It doesn't alter the fact that men and women kill each other, regardless of percentage.

I never claimed no women kill, I was responding to a point that when they do it's ignored. Which is rubbish.

Some men don't like women, some women don't like men. It's the way it is.

That may be the case, I often meet people I don't like. However this thread is specifically about violence against women.

@Silverswirl

It’s pretty much always because some get sexual excitement and sexual urges from overpowering a woman. Get turned on by harming something and feeling dominant. Sadly this will never ever change unless humans fundamentally change their brains in century's to come. Why? Because beneath the thin vaneer of modern polite society, we are animals with urges. Women’s urge is to protect and nurture. Men’s urge is to dominate, kill and have sex. That is never ever going to change. Yes you can put laws around those things and the vast majority of men will stick to those- ie only have sex with one partner at a time, not kill and only dominate in allowed spaces. But some men won’t abide by those laws. No matter what society says. They either won’t or cant. Any that’s where these awful tragedy's happen.

So, am I not a woman then? I have no urge to protect and nurture. Only when I had my dc, and dh felt the same. It's certainly not a part of my inherent make up.

We're in dangerous territory if we start saying been are programmed to be violent and women nurturers.

It's also comforting to think men like this are just those who break away from society, whereas arguably society itself contributes to men behaving like this.

“ Come to think of it, are you as outraged by police messages and adverts exhorting people not to leave valuables on display, as you are by the same sort of messages telling vulnerable people to take precautions? What's the difference?”

I’m sure many others have picked up on this, but what the hell.

What’s the difference? A woman is not an object. A woman has as much a right to go out, get drunk, wear whatever the fuck she likes, walk home or get a taxi back as any man, and not be raped. Yet she can’t can she?
She certainly can’t report a rape under any of those circumstances without being likened to a fucking wallet left in a car.

Jesus ducking Christ. This right here is the issue. A woman should be kept behind locked doors or she deserves everything she gets. Fucking hell.

And having read a teeny bit more of the thread it appears the MRAs have turned up 🙄