Young woman murdered running, what sort of world is this?!?

[irishfarmer]

A young woman was murdered yesterday in Tullamore, Ireland while out for a run at 4pm. It is not a dangerous area, she was on a popular route along the canal, in day light! These things just do not happen here. I am in total shock. It was a random, unprovoked attack. It's just so awful, 23 years old her whole life ahead of her. She was a teacher so had probably just finished work for the day and wanted to de-stress.

AIBU to think this poor girl should have been able to go for a run on a lovely winter afternoon safely? I know I am not BU just don't know where else to post. I am truly shocked and horrified.

Ididntknowitwasaparty.

Ok. What about female only tubes/subways then?

That is so easy to do. That could easily be start d tomorrow if they wanted. I know a lot of women who have been groped on the tube as men and women are packed tightly together

Of course it’d be safer to exclude men from more women’s spaces!

Transport would be relatively straightforward to do.

lobbying for change will mainly be driven by women, and the critical mass of men will continue to treat the issue of male violence as low priority.

That's a fair & well-made point. I agree.

@QuentininQuarantino

Horrific. My DH looked confused when I explained my running route as it’s very busy and actually quite inconvenient dodging tourists and cyclists. He has the luxury of choosing the beautiful forest… or anywhere really.

It should not have happened, my heart goes out to her family and the other joggers who witnessed the attack.

Same with my DP, when I said I wasn’t going to run through the local woodland in my own he was and said it was unlucky someone would be waiting in the woods on the off chance a lone woman goes by.

I don’t know what it will take for men to finally ‘get it’

Bystanders did help her. Two women ran to help her when they heard her screams, and scared her attacker off, but she was already fatally injured when the women got to her.

@Mufasa1118

Ididntknowitwasaparty.

Ok. What about female only tubes/subways then?

That is so easy to do. That could easily be start d tomorrow if they wanted. I know a lot of women who have been groped on the tube as men and women are packed tightly together

How would you stop men coming onto these women-only tubes & attacking them?

Even if policed, they couldn't protect every carriage on every train.

Honestly, please consider what you are saying. Women needed to be segregated due to male violence, not addressing male violence to start with. 🤦🏻‍♀️

Earrings and lipstick. I would like to ride on a female only tube!

Yes absolutely, male violence needs to be addressed on so, so many levels aswell.

There are so many more things the government's should be doing to keep women safe

They should start bigger task forces to address this. It's a society issue at so many levels. And it needs to be addressed now

So awful, the poor woman and her family. I go running as well, why can't women walk and run in public safely?

Female only this and that. And all for our own sake. It sounds disturbingly familiar. Atwood had it pegged so many years ago.

Sigh. I'm so over this shit.

@Chasingaftermidnight

It’s horrendous. They’ll catch the man who did this, he’ll be convicted, he’ll be imprisoned, the papers will brand him a ‘sick monster’, and absolutely nothing will change. Women will just keep being murdered.

In large part because of this ‘not all men’ bullshit that allows us to label the men who perpetrate this kind of crime as aberrant monsters - so we just shrug our collective shoulders and hope the next victim isn’t one of our daughters/sisters/friends, instead of acknowledging that actually, this is part of a systemic, structural issue. And misogyny is a spectrum - with sexist jokes and catcalling at one end, violent pornography somewhere in the middle, and women being randomly killed for male gratification at the other. And if a man participates anywhere on the misogyny spectrum (and they all do), they are responsible for what happens at the extreme end of it.

I agree with all of this.

And with pp comment that the people crying NOT ALL MEN are still the men who are noticeable not organising vigils and protests or fundraising to run campaigns to educate their own bloody sex class to view women as human beings of equal worth and dignity to them.

Male violence definitely needs to be addressed too.

The first thing: is they should have education programmes for young boys and teenagers, teaching them to respect women.

@dafey

Whilst cases like this are shocking, we must try to remember that statistically we're much more likely to be murdered at home

I'm not sure this is a comfort. And in the UK the number of unsolved murders is shocking & the vast majority of them are female victims so actually statistically I'm not sure it's clear cut.

Yeah, but I know the men in my home won't kill me. I don't know if any random man I pass on the street won't.

So no, that statistic does not reassure me at all.

I think the problem is that many men don't see that people who are smaller than them (women) are worth the same as them. They think I'm bigger than her so I am worth more than her.

So they need to be educated that smaller people are worth the same as them, with the same human rights.

A man said to me once "men love their power over women. Who are you going to abuse if you're going to abuse anyone? You're going to abuse the people that are weaker and smaller than you. "

Thats the kind of attitude we are dealing with

@EarringsandLipstick

Any lobbying for change will only come from women

This is not me subscribing to NAMALT but I disagree. Many men advocate, talk, support change. They've written about it, spoken on national media.

The issue is particularly around our legislation, our policing & our ability to enforce both.

That requires all men & women to make it a priority in terms of voting & pushing for legislative & societal change.

The narrative that men only pay lip-service to supporting ending of violence against women is not true. Not as a blanket statement.

They do but I'd be wary about that. I know some men who I know for an absolute fact have been violent to previous partners. Some very much so. I just went and checked their SM in the last hour and they have all posted about this woman's death and are pontificating in a fully right on manner about women's safety and rights. I don't know what the answer here is, because we do need men to be on board and understand this, but in my experience often the ones who say all they right things, are the ones who have learned to say all the right things to cover up the fact that they are the exact men we need protecting from.

I think we're fooling ourselves if we believe that this is a man/woman issue. It's a sick, violent, piece-of-shit person issue

I genuinely don't know how anyone can actually believe this.

He didn't murder a random man at 4pm did he? Why do you think that was?

She wasn't murdered by a random woman was she? Why do you think that was?

The reason women are statistically more likely to be attacked at home by those they know, is that home is a place where women are particularly vulnerable (asleep/ undressed /out of sight). It is simply easier for abusive males to target women they have easy access to. There are safeguarding measures in other places where women are similarly vulnerable, which whilst not perfect, will prevent some attacks. This is one of the reasons feminists bang on about protecting women's rights to these very safeguards.

Also when we are reassured to read in the news that a woman "knew her attacker" it's not always a current partner she ought to have had the foresight to have left (sarcasm). It can encompass past partners, old acquaintances, colleagues, neighbours, family members etc.

Women needed to be segregated due to male violence, not addressing male violence to start with

I don’t necessarily have a view on women only train carriages but isn’t it actually the narrative that men need to be kept out of female spaces because they can’t be trusted to keep women safe. I mean that’s an argument used elsewhere and it seems like a better way to look at it.

Earrings and lipstick. I would like to ride on a female only tube!

Ok. How would you police it? As asked repeatedly

Horrible footage here of a male mob sexually assaulting two women on NYE in Milan.

So I suppose women should not go out. All men involved, police looking on, all male afais. This is what we are up against, and it doesn't come as any surprise to me. Same happened in Cologne on NYE a few years ago when over 1,000 women were assaulted and/or raped. Jesus H.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10393625/Horrifying-footage-emerges-young-women-groped-huge-mob-NYE-celebrations-Milan.html

Ear -rings and lipstick.

Have an entrance building that only women can swipe into.

And have guards at the train, and they will only let women on.

Instead of making female only spaces (how?!?!), why not put a curfew on men?

No man is allowed outside their home after sun down and before sun up. All men moving around outside their place of work or home during daylight hours must be accompanied by another man.

Would never happen, obviously, but squirelling women away into some gated footpath and letting the murderers have free rein of the town? No thanks.

@Mufasa1118

Ear -rings and lipstick.

Have an entrance building that only women can swipe into.

And have guards at the train, and they will only let women on.

But but.... transwomen with all their bits would be allowed on board. If prisons and hospitals and refuges allow them, they will not be denied access anywhere. Just say you are a woman and job done.

@Mufasa1118

Ear -rings and lipstick.

Have an entrance building that only women can swipe into.

And have guards at the train, and they will only let women on.

Oh stop!

As of this would even be possible! And not able to be breached. Of course a man could attack a woman before she got to her 'women only' space, take her swipe & in he goes.

There would be sufficient guards at every tube to stop a man ever getting on.

And you'd be comfortable with a scenario where women were guarded from violent men in our segregated spaces, rather than sort out the violent men

Margaret Atwood territory as a PP suggested.

I have had to make all of my settings on Strava either private or followers only and ensure that I absolutely know everyone who is following me. Too easy for someone to see where I regularly run.