If there was an election tomorrow, who would you vote for?

[SecretKeeper1]

Obviously the Tories are a complete shitshow, but Labour aren’t a lot better and I couldn’t hand on heart vote for either in good conscience right now.

So… IF a snap election was called, like in December 2019, who would you vote for? Would it make a difference to you if Boris was replaced as Tory leader? Would you even bother voting or maybe go for a totally different national or local party?

Just curious!

Enough secondary school teachers will tell you how the pushing of trans and gender stereotypes is harming vulnerable children. The most vulnerable child I know is damaged from turbulent family and going down the path that usually leads to surgery and hormones. She's autistic too.
I have a child that is not neuro typical and a recognised disability and would never normally vote conservative as they are less likely to serve the need we have . However, I can't vote to benefit my child when it will actively harm another. I'm really caught between a rock and a hard place. The only thing I can hope is that Labour sort it out but it's a bleak hope.

That's why it's so insulting when people harp on about the vulnerable. I am not well off and have a disability in the family. That people use my pain to further their agenda, which will harm other vulnerable people is shortsighted at best.

Self-ID will be very far from the minds of many women who have been most damaged by this Tory government when they come to take a decision. Benefits cut, schools underfunded, NHS underfunded.
I am gender critical myself but I feel that if you asked women at food banks what their main concerns were I would guess it wouldn't feature.
So someone saying that surely all women will vote Tory makes me feel very upset when people are suffering to such an extent.

It's a struggle we can minimise by not letting them in until they change their minds first.

And in the meantime, it's a big 'fuck you' to the millions of women who will suffer at the hands of the tories. Anyone whose feminist principles lead them to vote Tory is completely deluded imo. You are voting to get rid of the NHS and to erode workers' rights. To enrich the rich at the expense of the poor. You are condoning corruption and dishonesty, racism and hypocrisy. But yeah, self ID.

Yep absolutely self ID. Because when men can identify as women, women no longer have any rights. If parties like labour want to attract more voters they know what they have to do. Otherwise they can just fuck off.

The OP asked how we, as individuals, would vote, not how we think all other women 'should' vote.

SNP

No idea.
I'm a life long Conservative voter, but really don't know if I'd vote for them again.
I don't know who else I could vote for though. Definitely not Labour. Their stance on the gender ID thing will play a BIG part in my decision because on a day to day "running the country" basis, they are all of a muchness.
I doubt the shenanigans at No 10 would have been very different if Labour were there - quite a few seem to have been instigated by civil servants.

But yeah, self ID

You vote as you see fit, I'll vote as I see fit. You seem worried that a lot of women think the same and will vote the same as me? But if any single other party was twam then a lot of us would vote for them?
This is not difficult. And btw trying to shame people on their voting choice will just turn people away from you.

In their favour, non politically, the Tories have had 2 women pms, and have a good balance of non white and/or non male people in the cabinet.

You vote as you see fit, I'll vote as I see fit. You seem worried that a lot of women think the same and will vote the same as me? But if any single other party was twam then a lot of us would vote for them?

It does seem to be the way. Labour voters etc shouting at Tory voters and calling them all the names under the sun and not listening to any concerns or reasons. Tory voters don't really bother to engage back in the same way because they can't be bothered with the raging conflict and don't need to. They just quietly go and vote Tory anyway. And labour voters are left scratching their heads wondering what went wrong for them. A story as old as time.

You seem worried that a lot of women think the same

I think the numbers are very small and probably wouldn't have any effect on an election result given how few votes actually count in a meaningful way. But yes I am amazed that people call themselves feminists while supporting a party whose policies have caused such harm to so many women over the last 10+ years. The only explanation I can think of for a feminist knowingly making life worse for other women is that if you're relatively unaffected by who's in power and don't care much for others, maybe you can afford such principles and live comfortably with them. Many women are not in that position.

Oh that will be it hopperrock youve nailed it. I'm sure labour will be successful next time as the general public don't care about self ID. Those damn non feminists don't know anything about anything.

Lolz.

@MrBIobby

Oh that will be it hopperrock youve nailed it. I'm sure labour will be successful next time as the general public don't care about self ID. Those damn non feminists don't know anything about anything.

Lolz.

Well they seem to be polling pretty well at the moment so maybe your Vote Conservative message isn't cutting through. Or maybe there aren't very many of you 🤷‍♀️

You are voting to get rid of the NHS

As someone who has been on the sharp end of the NHS I have seen how unfit for purpose it is. I mean, really really bad. Due to the NHS not providing proper care for me or my child we're facing a lifetime of inadequate care. The NHS seems to be a scared cow but it's not working for the most vulnerable (again, I have direct experience of this, not some hypothetical). It needs to be thoroughly reformed and perhaps that. Might mean another system. Lots of other countries have different CA options that work well. American system and the British ones aren't the only option and I, like many others have been permanently damaged by them trying to keep it afloat when it's inadequate.

@hopperrock

You seem worried that a lot of women think the same

I think the numbers are very small and probably wouldn't have any effect on an election result given how few votes actually count in a meaningful way. But yes I am amazed that people call themselves feminists while supporting a party whose policies have caused such harm to so many women over the last 10+ years. The only explanation I can think of for a feminist knowingly making life worse for other women is that if you're relatively unaffected by who's in power and don't care much for others, maybe you can afford such principles and live comfortably with them. Many women are not in that position.

But it's not the only issue... you could say the same about people voting Tory knowingly making life worse for poor people.

Oh well if they're polling well, maybe your time has come nearly eh?

I'll direct you back to this point

Tory voters don't really bother to engage back in the same way because they can't be bothered with the raging conflict and don't need to. They just quietly go and vote Tory anyway.

Enjoy the rest of your day 😉

@Pendolino

I care very much about womens rights and self ID, but I’m sensing it is being used as a tactic to divide the opposition vote. I think we are playing into Tory hands.

Let’s do whatever we can to get them out, then tackle the self ID issue hard after. I hate that our choices are so stark. We need a better class of politicians with more honesty, integrity and intellect.

Well said. The Tories couldn't give a stuff about women's rights.. I think the priority is to get them out, in the interests of all who are vulnerable.

And now of course we have the expected riposte that women who care about women's rights are being silenced. No. I'd just like the odd political thread to acknowledge the full range of issues instead of the single issue self ID voice drowning everything else out.

@MrBIobby and that surely says it all. Quietly voting for the status quo which benefits them and screws the rest of us.

No. I'd just like the odd political thread to acknowledge the full range of issues instead of the single issue self ID voice drowning everything else out

So theres so few of us we wont swing the election and theres so many of us we drown out all other issues?

We do really well for the 6 of us .

I’ve been following the self ID issue since well before the pandemic started. In the past few years I would say it has been weaponized for political ends.

Activists including many here have done a brilliant job in exposing the flaws. My view is that we keep pulling the issues into the light and engaging the public. The masses don’t want the consequences of self ID, like mixed sex hospital wards or unfairness in sport. We can win this. An election hasn’t even been called but until that point I will be campaigning and telling politicians what I want to see.

I’m with @cafedesreves and @hopperrock in that Tory policies have hurt many, and women disproportionately.

Labour. I'd prefer lib dem but I live in a Labour stronghold so it would be pointless.

Have never votes Conservative so won't be starting now

Spot on @ilovesooty

The Tories couldn't give a stuff about women's rights.. I think the priority is to get them out, in the interests of all who are vulnerable.

@hopperrock

It's a struggle we can minimise by not letting them in until they change their minds first.

And in the meantime, it's a big 'fuck you' to the millions of women who will suffer at the hands of the tories. Anyone whose feminist principles lead them to vote Tory is completely deluded imo. You are voting to get rid of the NHS and to erode workers' rights. To enrich the rich at the expense of the poor. You are condoning corruption and dishonesty, racism and hypocrisy. But yeah, self ID.

Absolutely. Self ID. How single minded you must be if nothing else influences your voting and you can ignore child poverty, the NHS, the erosion of women's rights (including pregnancy and maternity rights), crime (including crimes against women) , to mention just a few issues.

[quote Likkleredridinghood]@MrBIobby and that surely says it all. Quietly voting for the status quo which benefits them and screws the rest of us.[/quote]
Self ID screws over all women. And I will use my vote as I want. As you will use yours. You(general you) are not persuasive in changing my mind and certainly don't encourage me to vote labour. If people really want more labour votes then it might be helpful for them to consider a better approach. When labour come out and back women's rights rather than denying their existence as a sex class, then I may reconsider. Until then, no chance. And going over the same old ground over and over again had no point or value to me. So yes. I will vote Tory. As will many others. As you will see.

@WorriedMumsDontSleep

You are voting to get rid of the NHS

As someone who has been on the sharp end of the NHS I have seen how unfit for purpose it is. I mean, really really bad. Due to the NHS not providing proper care for me or my child we're facing a lifetime of inadequate care. The NHS seems to be a scared cow but it's not working for the most vulnerable (again, I have direct experience of this, not some hypothetical). It needs to be thoroughly reformed and perhaps that. Might mean another system. Lots of other countries have different CA options that work well. American system and the British ones aren't the only option and I, like many others have been permanently damaged by them trying to keep it afloat when it's inadequate.

Conservatives are all for total free market ideology and would have us take on US style insurance healthcare. I spent a while in the US and it is really expensive and has all sorts of downsides.

A politically more centre government would probably still want to introduce reform, but would look at European models that are centered on the quality of care and value, not just profit.