If there was an election tomorrow, who would you vote for?

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Obviously the Tories are a complete shitshow, but Labour aren’t a lot better and I couldn’t hand on heart vote for either in good conscience right now.

So… IF a snap election was called, like in December 2019, who would you vote for? Would it make a difference to you if Boris was replaced as Tory leader? Would you even bother voting or maybe go for a totally different national or local party?

Just curious!

Labour I suppose. Tories are obviously useless, Greens are not government material, and I still hold a student loan-sized grudge against the Lib Dems so there isn’t really anyone else.

I think a mumsnet party would do very well.

I’d vote Conservative though not happily. They are the only rivals to the SNP here and we desperately need them challenged in ScotGov.

But I agree with most others. I feel very politically homeless at the moment and long for a new party to fly in and save the country!

Labour/green

Labour

[quote Likkleredridinghood]**@Terfydactyl* How many have been raped ? You infer many women have been raped whilst in prison yet you were happy for millions of poor women and children to be hit by austerity, a busted flush of an economic policy. Lives and futures have been blighted by it. Neither are good obviously but ask why many of those women ended up in prison in the first place and it's back to inequality/ deprivation/poverty, in part caused by tory* austerity...[/quote]
Exactly. But this thread, like many others, has been taken over by those who want to hammer the single issue of self ID to the exclusion of the impact of all other policies. Just about every election thread goes the same way.

The candidate must likely to oust the Tory.

Conservatives.

I agree @ilovesooty

Why @AnAutumnAfternoon ? What policies do you admire?

Ah so you just want single word answers with no explanation to why then. What a fascinating thread that would be.

Conservative

Labour

Spoiled Ballot

I'm sure that would have run for twenty pages.

Your problem is you don't like hearing the answers. You have a nasty prejudice against people who vote differently to you. (I cringe when I see things like this because I was all over social media announcing anyone voting Tory was evil. Glad I realised what a twat I was being). The stigma that Conservative voters do it simply because they are cruel and evil is a poor tactic and it doesn't work.

You think the real answer is:
I'm very well off and I want to stay that way. Hate povos and immigrants too.

But if that were the real reason the Conservatives kept winning, we'd have seen a huge economic jump with a higher proportion of people earning over 40k. No such thing has happened for me, so I can only assume other people have issues like self I'd they'd like labour to sort out, that labour digging their heels in means that they won't change their minds till then.

But I suppose your real purpose isn't to change hearts and minds it's to sanctimoniously scold those whose choices are different to yours.

Exactly. But this thread, like many others, has been taken over by those who want to hammer the single issue of self ID to the
exclusion of the impact of all other policies. Just about every election thread goes the same way

I do know that we who care about women are supposed to stay in the fwr at all times just so the information re self id never gets any air time.
But in reality we are asked our opinion on who we would vote for and we answer honestly and then we get told off for having the wrong opinion.
One day soon I hope all those who tell us off for voting the wrong way and having a different opinion will do some thinking and realise that telling us off and trying to shame us into voting differently doesn't work.
We have all had the same information and come to our decision independently.
Me and many others care that women "the cunty type" are allowed single sex spaces where necessary, that the sum of us is not diluted by the addition of who knows how many, that the statistics made about us are as correct as possible, that we are not incarcerated with known rapists, etcetc

Neither are good obviously but ask why many of those women ended up in prison in the first place and it's back to
inequality/ deprivation/poverty, in part caused bytoryausterity

If that was true the female estate would have risen over the last decade, but actually its remained at roughly 4000 every year for a very long time.
For info the Male estate has similarly not altered by much over the last decade
I mean I could actually go into it in detail but one it's the weekend and two I'll probably get told off like a naughty child for having the temerity to think women matter.

@Likkleredridinghood one is too many. I don't vote conservative. I was answering a pp post about 'hypothetical' harms to women by self ID when the harms are very real.

It would be a toss up between spoiling my ballot paper and staying in with a cup of tea and a box set.

I’m done with the lot of it.

I think we should just nuke westminster whilst parliament is sitting. Yeah, there is the odd decent GP who might get vaporised, but i really think we need clean slate. And to send a strong message that feckless idiots should stay in the City and out of politics

I care very much about womens rights and self ID, but I’m sensing it is being used as a tactic to divide the opposition vote. I think we are playing into Tory hands.

Let’s do whatever we can to get them out, then tackle the self ID issue hard after. I hate that our choices are so stark. We need a better class of politicians with more honesty, integrity and intellect.

Nuking the lot of them is a bit strong but I get the sentiment that a clean slate is needed. A government of people who are grounded, with a blend of wisdom and real world skills that don’t centre solely around self promotion and cronyism.

Alba.

Scottish independence and support for women.

Green.

Let’s do whatever we can to get them out, then tackle the self ID issue hard after.

How on earth would we do that having voted in the people who are relentlessly pushing it at numerous opportunities, despite one of their own members receiving death threats for recognising women as a sex.
If they won't protect or listen to their own members (Rosie Duffield) why would they listen to the electorate after they've been voted in. They won't even change course to win votes, that's how set they are and they have told women who won't vote for that reason they don't want their bigoted vote.
They have put ideology before winning power. If you disagree with the ideology not a good idea to hand them power. They've told us what they will do with power. Listen.

I used to decide my vote based on which party would create the best policies for the most vulnerable person I know.

That tended to be Labour but they can go take a long walk off a short pier now!

@Pendolino

I care very much about womens rights and self ID, but I’m sensing it is being used as a tactic to divide the opposition vote. I think we are playing into Tory hands.

Let’s do whatever we can to get them out, then tackle the self ID issue hard after. I hate that our choices are so stark. We need a better class of politicians with more honesty, integrity and intellect.

Possibly it is being used as a tactic. Cant rule that out. But we can all only vote on the information we have. Put it this way if boris came out a stated twaw I would not vote, I'd spoil my vote but none of the parties would benefit from me.

As for changing things after say labour get in, well its admirable but it's now been tried for around a decade maybe longer.
Women have been thrown out of the parties for wrong think.
Enough female MPs have stated that if we think twam then we shouldnt bother voting for them. Short sighted of them but ya know it's their party, they are entitled to state this, and I'm entitled to not vote for them.
Plus if say labour get in then rules and laws can be changed quickly and we then have to change their mind on twaw AND then row back changes to laws. It's a struggle we can minimise by not letting them in until they change their minds first.
It's not like we all dont have better things to do than convince a lot of people who believe they are right that actually women matter and are equally as important as men.

So we continue to work our arses off to bring the issue into the light for the nonsense it really is. We make it abundantly clear to the candidates what we want to see. No self ID. Strong safeguarding for women and girls. Stay on their case, don’t let up. It is being used as a tactic to divide the left. Can’t you see this?

As for me, I work with vulnerable people and I can’t face another term of picking up the pieces. People are dying and being made destitute due to Tory policies and mismanagement of the economy / pandemic / Brexit.

@Pendolino

So we continue to work our arses off to bring the issue into the light for the nonsense it really is. We make it abundantly clear to the candidates what we want to see. No self ID. Strong safeguarding for women and girls. Stay on their case, don’t let up. It is being used as a tactic to divide the left. Can’t you see this?

As for me, I work with vulnerable people and I can’t face another term of picking up the pieces. People are dying and being made destitute due to Tory policies and mismanagement of the economy / pandemic / Brexit.

Its literally in the last year made mainstream news and even then it's being hushed up. Some of us have been doing this for a very long time. I noticed in 2004 and some women saw what was happening before that even. In all those years we have made barely a dent in getting this mainstream. If we could introduce the entire world to it now we would see a shift in a matter of months. Until that happens it's all be kind. I admire your optimism however if this is a tactic to divide then it a fucking long term tactic.