Molly Mae

[ivykaty44]

“that if you want something enough, you can achieve it”

“You’re given one life and it’s down to you what you do with it
. You can literally go in any direction. When I’ve spoken about that in the past I have been slammed a little bit, with people saying ‘it’s easy for you to say that because you’ve not grown up in poverty, so for you to sit there and say we all have the same 24 hours in a day is not correct.’ But, technically, what I’m saying is correct. We do.

“I understand we all have different backgrounds and we’re all raised in different ways and we do have different financial situations, but I think if you want something enough you can achieve it. It just depends on what lengths you want to go to get where you want to be in the future. And I’ll go to any length. I’ve worked my absolute arse off to get where I am now.”

Not someone id come across before, a reality star, who has said the above

is she being reasonable or not?

Sure, hard work will get you somewhere in life, but it may not get you exactly where or as far as you want it to. Talent, brains, money, beauty, and/or 'contacts' will get you farther in many fields.

How many beautiful voices or talented musicians have we heard? And how many 'make it'? Hard work and talent will get you so far, but contacts and money will get you farther. The same with professional sports.

How many people try for law school, medical school, or the like? And how many people are accepted, let alone graduate. Money and contacts may get you accepted (at least in the US) at a top Uni, but only brains and talent/skill will get you through.

It's one thing to say to the clerk in the mailroom of a large corporation "Work hard, you may be in management some day" because that may be a realistic goal. But to tell that same clerk "Work hard, you may be CEO of this company" is not, unless he/she has contacts (and probably an MBA).

"Influencers, children of celebrities, successful business owners, and the like who tout their 'hard work' are doing a disservice to their 'audience', who are generally younger people just embarking on 'life'. Much better if these 'influencers' told the truth, that they are a 'flash in the pan' and were very lucky to get where they are and that the chance of it happening to someone is infinitesimal.

[quote Ponoka7]@Dontforgetyourbrolly

"She's a silly little girl"
Do you call Tory MPs and their supporters who spout the same, silly little boys?

It's disappointing considering she's married to Tommy Fury, who hasn't come from money, is from a group of people who suffer from bigotry and has raised a good amount for charity. Tyson's last baby needed treatment in Alderhey and they went all out to raise money. They both earn around £11k per Instagram post, why would he rush back into the ring? But she was talking about herself, isn't a public speaker, doesn't have advisors, is 22, so has got it wrong.

Her hair curler is the only one I've achieved the waves I want, so she's swayed me.[/quote]
Tommy Fury is privileged by his brothers success and fame. He also wouldn’t have got a place on LI had he not have came from that family.

Hmm, I can agree in part Mrs. Hr comes from a country that was under Soviet occupation.
She's worked 3 jobs, now she has a home, car, and the beginnings of a family. Certainly more opportunity over here than where she came from at the time.
She started out cleaning the toilets at the BMW plant, she's now a head buyer for a global manufacturer.

@BalladOfBarryAndFreda

A mix of Thatcherite-era ‘bootstraps’ bollocks and the latest IG fad of ‘manifestation’. Horseshit, basically.

Absolutely this.

@mumshouse

Apparently she also suggested that if you're homeless you could buy a house. What a font of wisdom I have missed out on until today...

Did she? I thought this is just a common sarcastic phrase imitating influencers, Instagram forex traders etc.

What she said want that bad, just poorly informed and naive. She's not a bad person, she just doesn't know.

And she's not completely wrong either because yes, we are blessed in this country to have things like free education and healthcare, and government support we can access

correction:

"Influencers, children of celebrities AND successful business owners...

Not implying that successful business owners shouldn't be proud of their accomplishments.

I can't take anyone too seriously who has been on tv in next to nothing and thinks it is hard work but more fool the British public for giving respect and kudos to those who are famous for very little and then calling themselves influencers. As for writing autobiographies at 24 when again, their fame comes from reality shows, ridiculous.

@ExcuseeeeMe,but he wasn't from privilege, many of his wider family aren't privileged. He should understand the barriers in the way for people, especially given Tyson's struggle with MH and addiction. Everyone who does well becomes privileged.

People sneering at her "privilege" or ignorance of how the world works should reflect on their own privilege and naive nonsense that they have likely spouted when younger before they criticise others.

I've come to think that the whole 'you can do everything if you put your mind to it' rhetoric is an insidious form of propaganda. Firstly, it's obviously not true. I think I could have been very happy being second fiddle in a chamber orchestra, but I simply don't have the musical talent. I could not have become a mathematician or a ballet dancer under any circumstances.

Secondly and more importantly, this kind of rhetoric has the insidious implication that, if someone doesn't get to where they'd have liked to be in life, they just didn't try hard enough. It discounts the role of a, privilege and b, plain old luck and circumstance in some people but not others getting to where they want to be.

My kids get this kind of thing a lot at school (an international school with a slightly hippyish ethos) and I find it very tricky to deal with. I don't want to discourage them from trying whatever they want to try, but I find it hard not to scoff.

She has clearly said a very stupid thing. She comes from a privileged background and doesn’t recognise that.

But some of these posts are very offensive. She got on Love Island because she was an influencer. She was already pretty well established and making a career of it. My understanding is she neither stripped off, had sex nor got ‘finger banged’ on TV as someone so pleasantly put it. If she did, it was with Tommy who has turned out to be her long term partner. She also studied fashion at college is my understanding.

Do we have to be so unpleasant about other women?

Someone changed her Wikipedia page to Molly Mae Thatcher earlier.

It's the Thatcherism. The idea that hard work will get you wherever it is you want to be. Similar to the American idea that to be poor is a moral failing, you just didn't try hard enough. And the whole Influencer/Girl Boss thing is all about capitalism, persuading people to buy into your personality so you'll then buy the things you're selling thus giving you a £££ income.

@ShmeevilWeevil

Re people piling on ... I wouldn't be surprised if that wasn't her whole aim. She's all over twitter and probably every other social media, getting thousands more followers so she can charge more for every product placement she does.

She's lost 20k followers over the last few days apparently,

@FestiveFruitloop

It's bollocks, and the sort of stuff Tories are fond of trotting out. These are the kind of sentiments that might be true if we all started off on a level playing field, but that will never be the case.

Teresa Mae

@ThreeLocusts

I've come to think that the whole 'you can do everything if you put your mind to it' rhetoric is an insidious form of propaganda. Firstly, it's obviously not true. I think I could have been very happy being second fiddle in a chamber orchestra, but I simply don't have the musical talent. I could not have become a mathematician or a ballet dancer under any circumstances.

Secondly and more importantly, this kind of rhetoric has the insidious implication that, if someone doesn't get to where they'd have liked to be in life, they just didn't try hard enough. It discounts the role of a, privilege and b, plain old luck and circumstance in some people but not others getting to where they want to be.

My kids get this kind of thing a lot at school (an international school with a slightly hippyish ethos) and I find it very tricky to deal with. I don't want to discourage them from trying whatever they want to try, but I find it hard not to scoff.

And it's a great way to shut people up if they complain about wages, benefits, access to schooling, workers rights etc.

After all , if everyone can do better" it's your own fault for struggling, not the government's, or the business owners or you know anyone that has the power to change things but no will to do so .

She’s dangerously naive.

Well she's certainly young and foolish. And incredibly naive in thinking that it's her hard work that got her there rather than the luck of being born rich and attractive! Hopefully some of the comments she's received will give her food for thought, although probably not. Most of the well-off people I know think they've got there through their own hard work when in reality they don't work as hard or such long hours as many low-paid workers who are just striving to keep a roof over their head or their kids fed.

Looks fade, as will she. In a couple of years time someone else will have taken her place while she is larging it up on Onlyfans.

[quote Ponoka7]@Dontforgetyourbrolly

"She's a silly little girl"
Do you call Tory MPs and their supporters who spout the same, silly little boys?

It's disappointing considering she's married to Tommy Fury, who hasn't come from money, is from a group of people who suffer from bigotry and has raised a good amount for charity. Tyson's last baby needed treatment in Alderhey and they went all out to raise money. They both earn around £11k per Instagram post, why would he rush back into the ring? But she was talking about herself, isn't a public speaker, doesn't have advisors, is 22, so has got it wrong.

Her hair curler is the only one I've achieved the waves I want, so she's swayed me.[/quote]
Her hair curler it’s the one she endorsed. It’s hardly her invention.

As for the silly little girl comment, if a male of the same age made such vacuous comments, perhaps stupid little boy comments would be the order of the day.

Didn't Beyonce have stage parents supporting and managing her every step of the way, even as a primary school child?
She didn't enroll herself in dance classes or drive herself to stage school.

What’s she’s said is wrong, there are precious few circumstances where hard work can truly overcome social disadvantage and it’s clear that she really doesn’t understand how deep rooted issues with social mobility can be. Many of the advantages that children from wealthier parents have include soft / social skills, strong self confidence, and other qualities that aren’t easily gained through hard work. She clearly doesn’t understand this.

However, what I LIKE about what she said is that I really think she does work hard, as does TF, and she’s proud of doing so. I think that work ethic is important, and coupled with her own personality and looks, is the difference between her being an average influencer and a successful one. I also like the fact that she has an opinion and has started a debate. Too many slebs are terrified of putting a foot wrong and I get pretty sick of the constant fawning and mutual appreciation that goes on.

The only remarkable thing about this is that we've somehow ended up building a society in which the stupidest, most obnoxious people have the biggest platform. Here we are, (yes, me included) a bunch of predominantly bright and articulate women, spending time discussing the tripe this utter nobody has felt compelled to spout about something she knows jack shit about. Same syndrome that's put Boris Johnson in Downing Street and Trump in the White House, ultimately. We're fucked.

@babeB

Your ignorance about 'free education and healthcare' just displays your own ignorance. (is that you Molly Mae, I wonder ?)

It's not free. It is paid for through taxation. It is mainly free at point of use, but that is by no means the same thing.

@sadpapercourtesan

The only remarkable thing about this is that we've somehow ended up building a society in which the stupidest, most obnoxious people have the biggest platform. Here we are, (yes, me included) a bunch of predominantly bright and articulate women, spending time discussing the tripe this utter nobody has felt compelled to spout about something she knows jack shit about. Same syndrome that's put Boris Johnson in Downing Street and Trump in the White House, ultimately. We're fucked.

100% this.