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Molly Mae

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ivykaty44 · 07/01/2022 15:40

“that if you want something enough, you can achieve it”

“You’re given one life and it’s down to you what you do with it
. You can literally go in any direction. When I’ve spoken about that in the past I have been slammed a little bit, with people saying ‘it’s easy for you to say that because you’ve not grown up in poverty, so for you to sit there and say we all have the same 24 hours in a day is not correct.’ But, technically, what I’m saying is correct. We do.

“I understand we all have different backgrounds and we’re all raised in different ways and we do have different financial situations, but I think if you want something enough you can achieve it. It just depends on what lengths you want to go to get where you want to be in the future. And I’ll go to any length. I’ve worked my absolute arse off to get where I am now.”

Not someone id come across before, a reality star, who has said the above

is she being reasonable or not?

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ReadySteadyTwins · 07/01/2022 16:27

I agree with her. I think it's lazy and unfair to dismiss her because of her age.

The "you've got the same 24hrs as Beyonce" has been knocking about online for a while now. And someone always quotes "yes, but not the resources" underneath.

Now, there is some truth in that. Current Beyonce, one of the world's most famous women, half of a billionaire couple, is not particularly comparable to most people.

But that's current Beyonce.

It's quite commonly known how from the age of 13(14? can't be arsed to Google specifics) she worked, and worked, and worked. Failed girl groups, auditions, living and breathing Destiny's Child, on the road, touring, playing gig after gig, sticking at it... she didn't just walk into where she is now. And that's what's meant by that quote. If you give it your all, the dividends can be huge, but you've got to give it your all and it's not going to come overnight.

Glitterygreen · 07/01/2022 16:27

She isn't technically wrong, but she's had the biggest leg up in life going...she is where she is purely because she was born pretty enough to get on Love Island, and she managed to attract a bloke with a famous brother.

No one wants advice from her, she hasn't truly earned what she's got.

ChrimboGateauxCatto · 07/01/2022 16:27

Honestly I hate that this person is an influencer and that young girls look up to her.

TequilaBlaze · 07/01/2022 16:28

She wouldn't have her current 'career', PLT contract, etc had she not been on Love Island. She wouldn't have been on Love Island if she hadn't been conventionally attractive, and willing to sit around pouting in a bikini. She doesn't have a clue.

I'm really sad at our society puts people like her, flogging tat which will end up in landfill after a couple of wears, on such a pedestal.

Glitterygreen · 07/01/2022 16:28

@ReadySteadyTwins

I agree with her. I think it's lazy and unfair to dismiss her because of her age.

The "you've got the same 24hrs as Beyonce" has been knocking about online for a while now. And someone always quotes "yes, but not the resources" underneath.

Now, there is some truth in that. Current Beyonce, one of the world's most famous women, half of a billionaire couple, is not particularly comparable to most people.

But that's current Beyonce.

It's quite commonly known how from the age of 13(14? can't be arsed to Google specifics) she worked, and worked, and worked. Failed girl groups, auditions, living and breathing Destiny's Child, on the road, touring, playing gig after gig, sticking at it... she didn't just walk into where she is now. And that's what's meant by that quote. If you give it your all, the dividends can be huge, but you've got to give it your all and it's not going to come overnight.

I don't think people would mind as much if it was Beyonce saying it though!
Omicrone · 07/01/2022 16:29

@Exhausteddog

Often (but obviously not always) success is the result of background, privilege, contacts and networking , luck, opportunity, natural talent, ability or intellect (and in this case, probably looks), ambition as well as hard work.

Often people want to attribute it all to hard work because they think if you mention any of the other aspects, you are denying they have worked hard. I think its often a combination of things.

This. People get defensive because they have worked hard despite their privileges and then lose sight of that privilege.

I do think she has worked hard. She hasn't just sat on her arse doing nothing. She had a significant following before LI, you don't get that from doing nothing, and even with a show like Love Island you have to work hard to take full advantage of the opportunities that come from it.

But to deny all her other privileges and claim everyone gets the same opportunities is just naive bullshit.

BlockThatScrote · 07/01/2022 16:30

The thing is I don't necessarily disagree with ALL of it, but the "message" shouldn't be coming from the likes of her.

Insanely beautiful blonde haired blue eyed white woman who went on reality TV.

This should come from "a voice" who has actually had to claw themselves up from somewhere, you know?

Bluebluemoon · 07/01/2022 16:30

She actually mentions in the interview that she gets backlash every time she says we all have the same 24 hours of Beyoncé .

Hollow phrases like this get in my tits though. Yes, we do have the same time in the day as Beyonce - but not everyone has her looks/talent/tenacity/pushy parents behind them etc etc.

And as a mother of girls I would prefer if she said "the same 24 hours as Marie curie/Beatrice Shilling/Dorothy Hodgkin" etc - now they are women I'd love my daughters to aspire to be like.

SovietSpy · 07/01/2022 16:31

Didn't she also say that homeless people should buy a house

To be fair to her, she didn’t actually say that. It was someone on Twitter that commented that her interview had the same energy as telling the homeless to buy a house or poor people to stop being poor.

However, I still don’t agree with her comments. She is privileged in ways most of us aren’t or can’t be. She has 100% made the most of the opportunities that have come her way which is commendable but her failure to acknowledge that those opportunities aren’t available to everyone is where she has gone wrong.

I also despite the hussle/girl boss culture as it implies women just need to work hard and round the clock to be successful. Maybe this is true for an online job but it does not apply to most jobs in the real world.

Figgygal · 07/01/2022 16:32

Shes a vapid air head who is only famous for her body on love island
I am amazed anyone is interested in a thing shes got to say tbh

hamstersarse · 07/01/2022 16:32

I don't see anything wrong with what she has said

We all attribute our successes to our own internal brilliance and very rarely attribute it to anything external to us (e.g. leg ups)

Its called the Fundamental Attribution Error

Badnightguaranteed · 07/01/2022 16:33

I thought Molly Mae came from quite a wealthy background? I remember the clip (was it on love island?) where they went home to meet their families and MM’s home was really snazzy , big and beautiful.

littleburn · 07/01/2022 16:34

I think she sounds quite ignorant. Comments like 'it depends what lengths you're willing to go to', well yes that's true, but we don't all start from the same place. For some people just keeping a foot on the bottom rung of the socio-economic ladder is a huge achievement. For someone born into privilege climbing a few steps up to the very top is not exactly having to go to 'great lengths' to achieve it is it?

It reminds me of that video of an American teacher demonstrating the impact of socio-economic factors on achievement. All the teenagers are on the start line, but before he blows the whistle he make a series of statements: take 10 steps forward if you have a parent who went to college, take 10 steps forward if you've never worried where your next meal will come from, and so on. By the time he blows the whistle there are kids a few metres from the finish line and other kids still on the starting line. The point being that the kids at the start line could run twice or three times as fast as the kids near the finish line and even then they may never come first.

Bunce1 · 07/01/2022 16:35

I think when I was 22 I would be liable to say something equally as stupid.

CrimbleCrumble1 · 07/01/2022 16:35

I used to think the same way about influencers but now I think it is a legitimate career, things have changed and many companies choose to advertise their good and services through influencers. A friend of a friend’s daughter is one with a massive following and she works her socks off and enjoys the rewards.

ivykaty44 · 07/01/2022 16:35

The jobs that are most essential to society are the ones most sneered at.

or vastly underpaid, which makes me think about Abbie Titmus. Clever save person, who kept the rights to all the photographs taken of her and made a fortune, a former nurse

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WonderfulYou · 07/01/2022 16:36

I agree with her. I think it's lazy and unfair to dismiss her because of her age.

The "you've got the same 24hrs as Beyonce" has been knocking about online for a while now. And someone always quotes "yes, but not the resources" underneath.

Beyoncé had two parents who worked their arses off for her. She also had family members who supported her.

Do you think that would have been possible if she had been in care or raised by a single parent who wouldn’t have had time or money to take her to all the auditions? Or raised by negligent parents who couldn’t give a shit what her future held?

Beyoncé will be the first to say that her children have more privileges than most other children and that will allow them to buy a house, have connections to make a good career, have money for nannies, cooks, cleaners etc so yes they’ll still work hard in their job but they won’t need to worry about everything else that comes with it.

Fleabaggy · 07/01/2022 16:37

or vastly underpaid

Usually both.

VapeVamp12 · 07/01/2022 16:37

She's on £600k a year as creative director for Pretty Little Thing! Which from what I gather she doesn't do much for.

She gets £X,000's per insta post if its an advert. Probably similar to a low earners annual salary.

She is completely oblivious.

ivykaty44 · 07/01/2022 16:37

@ivykaty44

The jobs that are most essential to society are the ones most sneered at.

or vastly underpaid, which makes me think about Abbie Titmus. Clever save person, who kept the rights to all the photographs taken of her and made a fortune, a former nurse

Fleabaggy, sorry that was to you and your quote about jobs being sneered at
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RebeccaCloud9 · 07/01/2022 16:37

She's quite young and has achieved a lot (yes, with huge boosts from reality TV/social media) but she was in an interview about her business achievements and needed to use inspiration-speak. She was referring to the quote about how everyone has the same hours in the day as Beyonce (a well used quote) and saying how she has used that for her own inspiration. I think the amount of flack she has received for that is totally unfair.

TheLovelinessOfDemons · 07/01/2022 16:37

@Youngatheart00

I’m torn. I agree with the point re work ethic and that you don’t have to have come from great wealth or privilege to be successful. However, I also don’t think that ‘influencer’ is a worthy or legitimate career
If it's what she wants to do, so what?
adoreyou · 07/01/2022 16:38

@ReadySteadyTwins

I agree with her. I think it's lazy and unfair to dismiss her because of her age.

The "you've got the same 24hrs as Beyonce" has been knocking about online for a while now. And someone always quotes "yes, but not the resources" underneath.

Now, there is some truth in that. Current Beyonce, one of the world's most famous women, half of a billionaire couple, is not particularly comparable to most people.

But that's current Beyonce.

It's quite commonly known how from the age of 13(14? can't be arsed to Google specifics) she worked, and worked, and worked. Failed girl groups, auditions, living and breathing Destiny's Child, on the road, touring, playing gig after gig, sticking at it... she didn't just walk into where she is now. And that's what's meant by that quote. If you give it your all, the dividends can be huge, but you've got to give it your all and it's not going to come overnight.

I agree with some of this to an extent.... she also had 2 parents very much supporting her in everything she did to achieve everything she has. If you Google Beyoncé child hood home I think you can see they weren't short of money! Again, not taking away from her hard work but it's all supported by a "privilege" and she wasn't exactly starting from zero
kittensinthekitchen · 07/01/2022 16:38

Absolute bullshit, and I get very angry when I hear people spouting the same shit.

I have a 'friend' who 'does' pole dancing. She regularly says on her Facebook "If I can do it, anyone can!" No, not everyone can. Disabilities exist, which can prevent people from doing what they would wish to. I feel especially angry on behalf of our mutual friend who has partial paralysis and heart failure, and know this kind of throwaway comment is extremely hurtful.

PeaceONoeuf · 07/01/2022 16:38

Of all the people I know who live in amazing houses with a lot of wealth and who I know well enough to understand the ‘how’ only one of the six started with any sort of disadvantage and then ‘married well’. The others had the head start of wealthy parents, grammar or private education, well earning partner, etc. There are many things I would have loved to achieve and I don’t think I’ve stopped working hard my whole life, be it to support my disabled son, to escape DV in my first marriage, to battle mental illness, to get a necessary qualification for a job etc. And where am I? Pretty much near the bottom with no hope of finding hours out of my 24 to write my book/ start again in a career I could earn well in - had to take a job to support myself and start paying rent the moment I left home, no handouts for me. So I think she is saying what every privileged person tells them self because they can’t bear to think it may just have been luck or literally genes