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To feel 0 sympathy-24 hours in police custody *MNHQ adding content warning for distressing information regarding a child*

279 replies

Menmy3 · 04/01/2022 23:58

AIBU to have absolutely no sympathy for poor baby Teddie’s useless mother. Going from one man to the next allowing one into her home that was clearly abusing her children and not protecting them. I know she was the victim of DV and usually I’d be advocating for her 100% but she showed no emotion, no remorse. Those poor babies.

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ponkydonkey · 06/01/2022 10:48

Although he didn't ever blame her did he?

I guess the other children were well looked after until he arrived on the scene

gunnersgold · 06/01/2022 10:53

@mummypigoink ah ok thanks . I was watching it on my phone so may have missed that bit . Did he ever confess? Very glad he got 18 years!

placemats · 06/01/2022 12:48

Yes, 'fed up' was not the phrase to use @Ecosaurus.

placemats · 06/01/2022 12:52

@Ecosaurus

The point I was making was to say that when police (above) say we only get 20k thus they shouldn’t do their jobs (safeguarding) is so fucking disturbing.

“Well we only get 20k so that’s not worth safeguarding a baby who’s going to get murdered”

Ffs

Care workers, nursery workers and teacher assistants work for less and safeguarding unpins their work strategy.

The police deal with the vulnerable on a daily basis.

FFS indeed.

placemats · 06/01/2022 12:53

underpins.

placemats · 06/01/2022 12:55

I hope those who are posting here about the abuse they received from their exes realise that there are those who will judge you the minute he did it and why didn't you get out straight away.

Anything happens to your child, emotionally developmentally, it's totally your fault for not leaving him the minute he started the abuse.

We all know that abuse often starts to happen when the woman is pregnant.

phishy · 06/01/2022 13:16

@placemats

I hope those who are posting here about the abuse they received from their exes realise that there are those who will judge you the minute he did it and why didn't you get out straight away.

Anything happens to your child, emotionally developmentally, it's totally your fault for not leaving him the minute he started the abuse.

We all know that abuse often starts to happen when the woman is pregnant.

But not by the police in this case.

Lucci Smith was given every opportunity to blame Kane Mitchell.

And she got away lightly as she didn't get a custodial sentence.

Whilst i believe she never harmed little Teddie herself, it seems clear to me that she allowed him to be abused.

user1471457751 · 06/01/2022 14:26

@Charmatt nursery staff aren't subject to frequent physical assaults. They don't have adults spitting at them, punching them, breaking their bones, stabbing or shooting them. Bit different, isn't it?

Charmatt · 06/01/2022 14:35

@Menmy3
They might not be subject to frequent abuse but they definitely receive it. When I was a nursery teacher, I made a referral to SS and was threatened at the nursery door and then at home. Even when it is not to do with a referral to SS, parents can be regularly abusive if their behaviour or the behaviour of their children are addressed.

Add to that the intimate hygiene requirements, feeding requirements of children and the expectations for keeping a setting safe - every person I have ever known who works in a nursery has had every human fluid possible over them, has been bitten out of frustration, kicked or hit by children.

I once had a crown knocked out of my mouth by a child - accidentally but nevertheless, significant.

Don't underestimate how physical or hove intimidating a nursery job can be - all at minimum wage for most employees.

Charmatt · 06/01/2022 14:36

Sorry, that post was directed to @user1471457751, not @Menmy3

stillvicarinatutu · 06/01/2022 15:05

Yes people are inventing quotes and possibly deliberately misinterpreted what I was saying so I won't try and argue the point

I take my job , and child protection, vulnerable victim protection, al victims
A actually, very seriously.

I love my job again after falling out with it for a few years .

I certainly was not saying g in any way shape or form that the low pay means police are absolved. Not at all. I was trying g to explain that there are many armchair detectives who have no understanding about a difficult job especially when victims deny a problem.
I was one of those . For 5 years. Police are human too.
At risk of new made up quotes from me Confused I'll leave the tread but there is a lot of good work going on out there by lots of agencies who strive to protect people .

stillvicarinatutu · 06/01/2022 15:07

I mean I was in an abusive relationship for 5 years for clarity! Before someone misinterprets that too!
I had no idea what was happening to me until a colleague took me to one side and asked me what I would do if I went to a job in which a woman was being treated as I was . That was when the penny started to drop....

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 06/01/2022 15:55

@Hotcuppatea

I can only go on what I saw on that programme, but my hunch is that she behaved that way in interview because if she allows herself to admit that Kane killed Teddie, then she also has to admit that she allowed him to. Her denial is a way of protecting herself. When she says 'he'd never do that', she's really saying 'I would never let him do that.'

Tragically she did let him do it, but her psyche can't handle that.

I really felt for the police officers too. They must be haunted by the things they see and hear.

I think this makes a lot of sense, @Hotcuppatea - you are very wise.

I don’t usually want to be vengeful, but when Mitchell ended up with similar injuries to baby Teddie, I was glad that he’d be feeling at least a fraction of what Teddie suffered.

Emerald5hamrock · 07/01/2022 21:09

Anything happens to your child, emotionally developmentally, it's totally your fault for not leaving him the minute he started the abuse.
She had the opportunity, she protected him far more than she protected the DC.
Only a year later after loosing 3 DC she's groomed and looking well.
I'd be devastated, unwashed, not thinking about myself, she's clearly doing okay, missing her old life as it was, no specific pity for poor Teddy or the other DC just herself.

Emerald5hamrock · 07/01/2022 21:19

From what I saw he showed far more emotion than she did, she was cold, he was a psycho.
Personally I suspect both of them were involved somehow.
She didn't flinch at Teddy's injuries.
He physically assaulted her older DC dragging them by the leg while their head hit the ground, she still adored him.
Fucked up.

Nicknacky · 07/01/2022 21:33

@Ecosaurus

“We don’t get paid more than 20k so we shouldn’t have to deal with safeguarding issues”

Christ

Why are you putting comments in quotations and implying that Vicar said that?

Do you understand how quotes work?

Blossomtoes · 07/01/2022 23:05

Only a year later after loosing 3 DC she's groomed and looking well.

That’s grossly unfair.

Dita73 · 07/01/2022 23:17

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WingingItSince1973 · 08/01/2022 00:06

@Charmatt

My Mum came from a very abusive household - physical violence, alcoholism, neglect and emotional abuse. She would have been in care today, but at the time, she was invisible. She was often locked in the attic for days at a time while her parents were either drunk, or out getting drunk. She suffered beatings regularly and her parents were very cold, emotionally. She came a very poor 3rd,4th or 5th to drink and the lifestyle they wanted.

I understand the opinion that the woman in the programme was a victim of abuse, but my Mum has very strident views on this. She says the abuse she suffered has damaged her ad left her less of a person. However, in recognising she was abused, she also recognised that it was not acceptable to repeat the cycle herself. She says that people cannot be a victim, but them make their child victims too!

That said, my Mum is amazing. She cut her family off to give us a decent life. She is wise and grounded and she strongly feels that we all have to take responsibility for our actions. No man would have come before her children, and no man ever did. She was equal to my Dad and they had a strong mutually respectful relationship, which was my model.

She couldn't ever let her parents back in - I remember her upset when they sent a Christmas card and she recognised the writing on the envelope. She picked it up and walked to the bin with it at arms length before putting it in there, unopened. She needed to retain control over the situation.

We watched the programme and my daughter watched it too. We talked a lot about her knowing her own worth and never to put up with controlling behaviour.

The eldest child speaking really touched me - so eloquent and intelligent, yet concerned about their mother, who had been there when he had physically abused the children.

Your mum sounds like an amazing lady. I had a similar childhood but I was getting locked in the cupboard or tied to my bed in between sexual abuse. On the outside my family looked absolutely normal. Like your mum I was determined that my children would never suffer the same trauma as I did. I do have a relationship with my mum now but that's because I had to make peace with certain things for my own mental health. I think she was a victim too of my stepdad and she did divorce him when she found out about the sexual abuse, although she then allowed her next partner to lock me up etc. My first husband was a bit abusive and I left him when my dd was a few weeks old as I could see this wasn't going to be healthy for her. Met and married an amazing man and 25 plus years later we have more dcs and a dgs. This programme was absolutely heartbreaking. The testimony from her child about Kane broke my heart. He is absolutely vile beyond words and how he expected to be treated nicely because he had rights, so did poor Teddie. Poor darling baby xx
youvegottenminuteslynn · 08/01/2022 00:44

@WingingItSince1973

My god I wish I could travel back in time, scoop you up and get you out of that situation. I am so sorry and I know I don't you but you are incredibly brave and I'm so pleased for you that you met and married your second family and expanded your family with him Thanks

WingingItSince1973 · 08/01/2022 01:00

[quote youvegottenminuteslynn]@WingingItSince1973

My god I wish I could travel back in time, scoop you up and get you out of that situation. I am so sorry and I know I don't you but you are incredibly brave and I'm so pleased for you that you met and married your second family and expanded your family with him Thanks[/quote]
That is so so kind of you. I used to day dream that I was adopted and my real family would come and rescue me. Xxx

Greysofa · 08/01/2022 09:40

Can’t believe the amount of sympathy and excuse making for the ‘mother’ on this thread. She let her baby down, she let her other children down and sadly baby Teddie paid the ultimate price. Even if we just look at the day the baby died, it was said he suffered those injuries after the morning school run and no-one sought any medical assistance until 2.30. That poor baby would have been in agony! Hopefully she won’t be allowed anywhere near the new baby she is carrying.

NODOUBTABOUTIT · 08/01/2022 10:07

Stuck upends is attractive asf. 😘

Charmatt · 08/01/2022 11:53

@WingingItSince1973

You sound so strong too. I'm sorry you went through such abuse and I am sure you are amazing, just like my Mum!

The strength of human character is not in what they want but in stepping up to do what they must do. You've done exactly that!Flowers

LakieLady · 08/01/2022 12:09

@Charmatt

Nursery staff are on minimum wage but they still have to attend Child Protection Conferences and ensure a child is safe!
The project I used to work on has a starting salary of just under £18k. They are all adult and child safeguarding trained, attend CP conferences and MARAC.

My team of 10 raised 55 safeguardings a year in the last year I was in that role, so more than 5 a year for each frontline worker.

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