Aibu to complain to brownies leader

[Mummytoonlychild]

My daughter is back to brownies next week and I've just been informed that she is not allowed to have a drink or go the toilet when she is there. It's a 90 mins session aibu to say she's a child and should be able to drink her own drink or go the loo when she needs to or am I being ott

@AsYouWishButtercup was the surprised one.

@NeverDropYourMooncup I work in a school and no members of staff have designated toilet breaks. We all go to the loo when we want

[quote AsYouWishButtercup]@NeverDropYourMooncup I work in a school and no members of staff have designated toilet breaks. We all go to the loo when we want[/quote]
I was a teacher. I could only go to the toilet in my breaks. That's normal, and for fairly obvious reasons.

[quote AsYouWishButtercup]@NeverDropYourMooncup I work in a school and no members of staff have designated toilet breaks. We all go to the loo when we want[/quote]
So You leave your class unattended to go to the loo, rather than go in your breaks?

Unless you are in a private or specialist school with more than one member of staff per class it can’t be in acceptable under schools risk assessment for a teacher to leave 30, 5 or 6 year olds to their own devices for 5 mins at any point during day - craft within scissors no worries I’ll just pop to loo, PE in yard etc.

@LadyGAgain

YANBU and anyone saying you are based on your original post is batshit. Children take they own water bottles. Children get to use the toilet. FFS. What is this utter madness. I despair.

RTFT love. You might learn something from people who have actual experience of being a volunteer in Covid times .

"What a bizarre rule. If leaders are being told they need to do this, they need to challenge it. There is absolutely no sense to it at all, and children's welfare should come before a nonsensical rule"
Unpaid volunteers do not need to challenge anything. They have their own life and responsibilities outside of giving up thier free time for other people's kids. Entitled much!

@hangrylady

"What a bizarre rule. If leaders are being told they need to do this, they need to challenge it. There is absolutely no sense to it at all, and children's welfare should come before a nonsensical rule" Unpaid volunteers do not need to challenge anything. They have their own life and responsibilities outside of giving up thier free time for other people's kids. Entitled much!

I'm an unpaid volunteer for two organisations and I absolutely do challenge things (politely and professionally) where there is a welfare or H&S issue. Everyone should where children's wellbeing and safety is involved.

I don’t think people appreciate how much goodwill is involved with volunteer groups in church or community halls. Ours only requires toilets and kitchen clean at end. Girls can and do use the toilets.
Brownies who are all unvaccinated could easily be viewed as a high risk group by the volunteer hall committee. For a hall with lots of vulnerable users like pregnant ladies, over 70s I can easily see them receiving email and thinking it’s not worth hassle let’s just cancel the brownies booking or impose conditions the brownies can’t financially meet. If you challenge saying my girls must be allowed to use toilets they can easily say you pay for professional clean £15 a week on top of rent or we’ve reviewed your rent you are now on commercial rate or the half price in holidays when you don’t use room that’s always been done isn’t in policy. There isn’t an abundance of cheap halls.

The poster above with one toilet for 20 girls plus volunteers should challenge it as the ratio of girls:toilets is a mandatory 10:1 (I used to do Brownies and asked to take a group to a venue with one toilet, which is how I found out - I didn't have 10 girls so it was OK!)

@drspouse

The poster above with one toilet for 20 girls plus volunteers should challenge it as the ratio of girls:toilets is a mandatory 10:1 (I used to do Brownies and asked to take a group to a venue with one toilet, which is how I found out - I didn't have 10 girls so it was OK!)

Genuinely, how?

Village halls and churches are not known for their toilet capacity.

How do some of you go anywhere if you need toilets every 90 mins? Obviously some people do have medical conditions, that's different but the average child of 7-10 or adult for that matter doesn't need to drink constantly or use the toilet. All through my schooling from 7 the only source of drinks other than lunchtime was the playground water fountain and we could only use toilets in the break (under 7 we got disgusting room temperature milk)

@drspouse

Really. we have brownies and only one ladies toilet (plus one gents and one disabled) this is normal for small halls

@gogohm

How do some of you go anywhere if you need toilets every 90 mins? Obviously some people do have medical conditions, that's different but the average child of 7-10 or adult for that matter doesn't need to drink constantly or use the toilet. All through my schooling from 7 the only source of drinks other than lunchtime was the playground water fountain and we could only use toilets in the break (under 7 we got disgusting room temperature milk)

But it's not just about the 90 minutes there, is it? if it's a 20 minute walk to the hall and a 20 minute walk home again, then some kids are going to struggle.

I had one kid of Brownie age who could hang on all day. The other DD would definitely have struggled with no access to a toilet for two hours.

Ratios of toilets are good practice guidelines only. And most places do not meet this, Think of theatres for example.

@gogohm I often wonder how half the people on mumsnet manage to do anything with their hourly trips to the toilet. if true, there are a lot of women who need continence support.

[quote AsYouWishButtercup]@NeverDropYourMooncup I work in a school and no members of staff have designated toilet breaks. We all go to the loo when we want[/quote]
What happens to the 30-odd pupils in your class when you go?

We have to go at break and lunchtime, same as the kids.

I presume you are a Receptionist or Bursar or BSS then @AsYouWishButtercup ? As a teacher can't pop to the toilet and leave her class.

@Kite22

I presume you are a Receptionist or Bursar or BSS then *@AsYouWishButtercup* ? As a teacher can't pop to the toilet and leave her class.

Receptionists can't walk away from the switchboard/desk/intercom system, especially if they are also the First Aider, Medicine giver, security pass issuer, payment collector, register chaser, message giver and the thousand other things they do by breaktime every morning.

I understand this. I teach year 3 and never let children go to the toilet during lessons. Let one go, they all ask.

@Babysteadygo

I understand this. I teach year 3 and never let children go to the toilet during lessons. Let one go, they all ask.

I hope you aren't my DD year 3 teacher then as she has continence issues and still isn't completely dry at 7. Mind you, her continence nurse says lots of teachers don't let children go and don't encourage them to drink enough so you aren't alone.

@drspouse
Of course it would not apply to children with medical reasons

You said "never".

Wow so you expect 7 year olds to sit in agony and worry about making a mess in their pants and to learn effectively too? Glad you're not my child's teacher, what a cruel thing to do. 😡