SIL gone to panto when waiting for PCR result - oh yes she did!

[anotherannoyngSIL]

Name changed as I’ve been slated on here before for not allowing my SIL to do as she pleases.

Today I thought we’d made a positive turn as she has taken my older son and hers to the pantomime as I’ve got a broken leg (though she has made a big thing about helping out).

Unfortunately she’s just text me to say “BTW I’ve had a positive lateral and waiting on my PCR but decided to take the boys anyway as xxx (her son) was looking forward to it, I’m sure that’s fine”.

In which universe is that fine?? She’s risking not just my son, but the others she’s gone with and the whole audience!! She is very jealous if people do social things without her but surely there comes a time when sense is more important than FOMO?? I’m assuming she waited till she was there to tell me so I couldn’t do anything.

Husband says I’m being unreasonable for being annoyed as the rules aren’t clear cut and she hasn’t had the PCR test back.

AIBU for wanting to ban her as she’s so irresponsible and only really cares about herself?

What has "trust" got to do with it? People who are fully vaccinated can still catch AND spread covid. It says it in the adverts!
Risk assess what you feel safe with and live accordingly.
I wont engage any further with poster with obvious health anxiety.

@Covidworries

1 in 7 children suffering with long covid. Omicron may not cause any long covid or it could. Omicron hasnt been around long enough to gather that data. Mild covid has caused long covid cases during previous varients so mildness doesnt mean that it wont cause long covid.

Obv the hope is that it wont cause any issues but it is isnt possible to say a child or all children in the panto will definately be ok

This is an absolute bullshit scaremongering made up statistic.

[quote anotherannoyngSIL]@Nanny0gg she didn't come to the door when dropping DS so I havent spoken to her. I haven't contacted her as part of me thinks having a go at her will feed her love of drama and she will somehow make herself the victim and me the bad guy in the eyes of MIL etc (especially if she gets ill with it)

Im not sure the best way to play it but for now (tonight!) im not rising to the bait and I will try to go no contact for a while.

I might notify the pantomime venue just in case but assume track and trace do that (if she had it on)

As others have suggested posting lots of pics of things she's missing will be irritating for her (once I'm happy DS hasn't got it)[/quote]
with the best will in the world you seem to feed off drama as much as your sister in law , i will try to go no contact for a while ? , you dont seem to be able to stand her so why do you have to try , cant be hard surely ,and posting lots of things shes missing will be irritating for her
seems to be a competition between you both as to which one can wind up the other one , a bit like two teenagers really , but of course shes the bad one though www.mumsnet.com/emo/te/9.gif.pagespeed.ce.TUei7x3YMQ.gif

@friendshipsarehardforme

You have a source daying it is ok to go to a panto when covid positive. Amazing please do share it?

@Covidworries

1 in 7 children suffering with long covid. Omicron may not cause any long covid or it could. Omicron hasnt been around long enough to gather that data. Mild covid has caused long covid cases during previous varients so mildness doesnt mean that it wont cause long covid.

Obv the hope is that it wont cause any issues but it is isnt possible to say a child or all children in the panto will definately be ok

But children are going to school. They're in soft play, restaurants, cinemas, shops. As are most people.

Omicron is HIGHLY contagious (thank god as it's killing off Delta).

Regardless of the theatre, everyone will catch it soon if they haven't already. Therefore, people need to live. Unless someone is extremely vulnerable, we should all live our lives now.

1 in 7 kids are NOT suffering from long covid. Im reporting that post as its absolute bollocks scare mongering.

@waitingpatientlyforspring

But will all respect, what about asymptomatic people?

Your aunt would have been taking a big risk going even if everyone there had no signs of covid. And tests aren't 100% accurate.

Anyone who is immunosuppressant should steer clear of large gatherings, irrespective of "trust".

And not just for Covid but also flu and all sorts of other viruses around in deep winter.

post.parliament.uk/long-covid-the-long-term-health-effects-of-covid-19/

journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article?id=10.1371/journal.pmed.1003773

@MrsBerthaRochester

1 in 7 kids are NOT suffering from long covid. Im reporting that post as its absolute bollocks scare mongering.

someone needs to report you!

[quote humdingle]@BrotherHelp "Long covid, like I said. Colleagues, healthy people who got covid pre vaccine, and some post. Loosing their jobs. Not anecdotal. Healthy people who did iron men, cycled miles every day, worked all the hours. Now nothing. No treatment as it’s all so new. But meh, it’s not individually in a paper for you."

If you know multiple people in your area who this has happened to, I have bad news for you, it's not just covid as that is not normal, something else is happening. I would be campaigning to get your water tested or something.

You are speaking about people (plural) who did iron men events and are completely incapacitated now and you are saying it's not anecdotal - so please, point me to the data that reports all these multiple former iron man participants who cannot function day to day (because if you can't do that then guess what - it's anecdotal! And probably an exaggeration)
[/quote]

You don't know what you're talking about, FACT. If you haven't come across real genuine heartbreaking stories of long term disability in long Covid in your echo chamber, don't dismiss other people's experiences. Get thee on Twitter and search the hashtag and educate yourself FFS. Instead of making snide and ignorant comments about contaminated water.

None of my comments have been deleted but some of the personal attacks have. I am entitled to a different view point without being subjected to abuse.

Thing is, it’s not just hospitalisations is it. It’s isolating and actually ‘being just I’ll enough’ that you can’t go to work and need a few days off. It’s creating chaos up and down the country. Post office was shut near me recently as no staff due to COVID, as an example.

*ill

@friendshipsarehardforme

Can you not recognise there is a difference between someone going to an event not realising they are positive to someone choosing to go knowing they are positive. The outcome for people there may not be any different.
Just like the outcome for a child knocked down may be the same weather the driver had a genuine accident or decided to drive into the child because they thought children get knocked down anyway.

My child is CEV so we take alot more precautions but could still get infected, if we do an activity we accept there are risks (we currently arent dping anything). If this resulted in a positive that is like but if one of the people we trusted deliberately ignored their positive test result and put us at risk just because then that is an entirely different situation.
Alot of vunerable conditions are first identified when taken ill for something else. So some vunerable people do not know they are vunerable yet

What is so sad about this thread is that there are people who would do the same and knowingly go to a busy enclosed space having tested positive. All for a bloody Panto.

Of course the World is going to have to find a way of living with this until it runs its course, but common decency really should prevail that if you are positive you don’t then go and knowingly mingle with others like this when it’s avoidable. You just miss the sodding Panto.

[quote Covidworries]@friendshipsarehardforme

Can you not recognise there is a difference between someone going to an event not realising they are positive to someone choosing to go knowing they are positive. The outcome for people there may not be any different.
Just like the outcome for a child knocked down may be the same weather the driver had a genuine accident or decided to drive into the child because they thought children get knocked down anyway.

My child is CEV so we take alot more precautions but could still get infected, if we do an activity we accept there are risks (we currently arent dping anything). If this resulted in a positive that is like but if one of the people we trusted deliberately ignored their positive test result and put us at risk just because then that is an entirely different situation.
Alot of vunerable conditions are first identified when taken ill for something else. So some vunerable people do not know they are vunerable yet[/quote]
It is endemic. You can't avoid it with R rates of 5/6 like London has seen with Omicron.

It's unavoidable. It's in all schools. There is no longer a reason to isolate for 7-10 days, limiting people's income and freedom.

I'm sorry, but there's just no longer a clinical case for isolation or lockdowns.

Personally I think it's far better for people to get Omicron in school holidays and when many are on annual leave than disrupt schooling further and affect people's work/income.

@Marianne1234

I just can’t get excited about this any more.

If it’s as rife as the headlines are screaming about then what’s even the point 🤷🏻‍♀️

Sure. Let's go for a cool million a day and see how the NHS fare🤦

@MrsBerthaRochester

None of my comments have been deleted but some of the personal attacks have. I am entitled to a different view point without being subjected to abuse.

Referring to someone's aunt who has cancer as having 'health anxiety' because she can't 'trust' people to act responsibly is a personal attack.

@MrsBerthaRochester

1 in 7 kids are NOT suffering from long covid. Im reporting that post as its absolute bollocks scare mongering.

It's not bollocks. If you think it is to the extent that you consider it scaremongering, you obviously agree that those statistics would indeed be scary. And they are real statistics. If you haven't bothered to fact-check that yourself, and have instead resorted to reporting the post and putting your fingers in the ears, all your other posts are starting to make sense.

As someone who has been part of the long Covid community since May 2020 because DD has it, I think I'm more aware of the statistics and long term harm (not just deaths) that Covid can cause to people of all ages, including children. You are not. As you continue to talk about deaths and do not take into account any other adverse outcome from catching Covid. Including the effect having a long term debilitated DC who cannot attend school or see their friends has on their parents and siblings, which is immense.

Isolations if positive are still required through so obv these are still needed. If they are removed then yes positive people can go to the panto but currently they shouldnt

To be honest arguing with anyone who'd refuse to test before a public event like the panto is pointless.

I'd suggest, given the shortages of LFTS and PCRS, the majority are thinking about avoiding (not eliminating 🙄) spread and we can take heart from that.

I'm at home with covid at the moment. I'm not going to be hospitalised. But if I had been working this week I'd have lost money. It's been a bit shit, but it's been worse for my 12 year old than me. I'd not want to spread my germs further and they'll be no Hogmanay for me this year.

@Covidworries and @BonnesVacances if you are claiming as true a statistic that 1 in 7 children is suffering from long covid, please show exactly where you are getting this from. If you are unable to cite it accurately, then I am quite confidently calling bullshit on it.

[quote FriendshipsAreHardForMe]@waitingpatientlyforspring

But will all respect, what about asymptomatic people?

Your aunt would have been taking a big risk going even if everyone there had no signs of covid. And tests aren't 100% accurate.

Anyone who is immunosuppressant should steer clear of large gatherings, irrespective of "trust".

And not just for Covid but also flu and all sorts of other viruses around in deep winter.[/quote]

But that's part of the risk assessment. People attending when they know they are positive isn't supposed to be part of that assessment, because they're not supposed to be there!

It's not binary. It's about odds and likelihood. The more people there with Covid, the more likely it will be to catch it. It's not about assuming there's no one there that's asymptomatic. If you include asymptomatic and symptomatic with a positive result the odds increase.

People keep going on about how CEV individuals should assess risk and decide themselves if it's safe to go somewhere. But that's impossible when they don't know what people are doing because they think their own needs are above the law.