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Crying over misunderstanding

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Onlyrainbows · 29/12/2021 01:34

Sorry MN I obviously have no one to talk to this time of day. My DH and I had a minor argument over "budgets" we agreed to to budget £500 per DC for clothes and presents (both birthdays and Christmas). He is of the idea that uniforms should be excluded, I think they should be included. Well, we originally agreed we'd let the oldest one about how much there was in there budgets, and the younger ones just tell them that they had a certain budget that counted for everything, so they could play around with it without knowing the amount. We did tell the oldest one, but my DH regrets it and now we have to retract it. We BOTH agreed that this is what needs to happen, bit then he went on about how we're going to disappoint the again. Then the conversation went sideways (he kept drinking during the course of it) but after 3 hours of it I just feel annoyed and sad that there were so many misunderstandings and there's always my upbringing Vs his and trying to make them align when in reay they were very different. He's asleep and I'm crying fairly pointlessly but I don't know what else to do.

OP posts:
AlDanvers · 29/12/2021 14:44

@Onlyrainbows

Ok so here it goes again, do I visit my family that does add up to £3k (without any sort of holiday) and not take half the family?
No one said you can't spend 10k on holidays

Simply thay if you can afford that you can easily afford more than 2 bras for dd.

You can get their shoes fitted properly. Dd could also have a pink bra, regardless of it not being essential to you

Your holiday isn't an essential. Seeing your family is nice to do. Not a need.

Your dd needs more than 2 bras.

JSL52 · 29/12/2021 14:44

Also , there seems to be a lot of crying and angst in your marriage

BoredZelda · 29/12/2021 14:53

OP spends 10k on family holidays but begrudges her (step?) daughter a pink bra because it's too expensive

It cost 3 of us 4k + spends to go to New York for 5 days a couple of years ago staying in a fairly average hotel. 10k is a lot of money, but for a holiday for a family of 6, it’s not like 10k would get you the Ritz. A cursory look is showing a 7 day bog standard inclusive package in half decent hotel can easily cost 8k.

icedcoffees · 29/12/2021 14:55

@Onlyrainbows

Ok so here it goes again, do I visit my family that does add up to £3k (without any sort of holiday) and not take half the family?
If you can afford to even consider a 3k or a 5k holiday, you can afford to buy your daughter three bloody bras.
icedcoffees · 29/12/2021 14:56

@BoredZelda

OP spends 10k on family holidays but begrudges her (step?) daughter a pink bra because it's too expensive

It cost 3 of us 4k + spends to go to New York for 5 days a couple of years ago staying in a fairly average hotel. 10k is a lot of money, but for a holiday for a family of 6, it’s not like 10k would get you the Ritz. A cursory look is showing a 7 day bog standard inclusive package in half decent hotel can easily cost 8k.

If going on holiday means you can't buy your kids basics like bras and shoes, the answer is to not go on holiday (or go camping instead), not to tell your kids they can't have new underwear.
Peridot1 · 29/12/2021 15:00

I think people may be missing the point that the £100k income is VERY recent. So the past the OP hasn’t been able to spend much on anyone in the family.

OP - I get you want to take the whole family to meet your family. That’s nice. Lovely for all of you. And if you said you were only taking your own two children you would get a lot of flack for that too. I think the issue is you say you want to spend £10k on the holiday. As if it’s an amount you aspire to spend. Rather than ‘I want to take us all to X country to visit my family and I think with flights etc for us all it will cost around £10km’. It comes across very differently.

goldshade · 29/12/2021 15:03

This is one of the most ridiculous threads I've ever read.
Forget the budget, live life happily.

2022newname · 29/12/2021 15:20

@Peridot1

I think people may be missing the point that the £100k income is VERY recent. So the past the OP hasn’t been able to spend much on anyone in the family.

OP - I get you want to take the whole family to meet your family. That’s nice. Lovely for all of you. And if you said you were only taking your own two children you would get a lot of flack for that too. I think the issue is you say you want to spend £10k on the holiday. As if it’s an amount you aspire to spend. Rather than ‘I want to take us all to X country to visit my family and I think with flights etc for us all it will cost around £10km’. It comes across very differently.

Nope not missing it at all. OP has sat and worked out how she can make her kids only cost £500 for a whole year including presents, school uniform, underwear and ither essentials while costing up a ten grand holiday and a boob job.
saltinesandcoffeecups · 29/12/2021 15:41

I’m not sure what I’ve just read… but what the hell I’ll bite.

OP… you are wayyyyyy overthinking this. Let’s back up and make this simple.

  1. Figure a reasonable amount that you spend per kid on uniforms and essential clothing and shoes.
  • for goodness sake yes this includes bras for your daughter
  • A good place to start with this is when your income was lower.
  • Now set this amount aside. It sets the basis for the next things
  • this figure is between you and your husband for now.
  1. Figure out what a reasonable discretionary amount you are willing to allow each child to have to enhance the essentials
-This should be told to your children and should be equal
  1. Figure out a gift budget for each kid
-should be equal and again the amount should be told to each kid

Now you can shop with the kids and when they want the fancy jeans vs. the basic ones the difference comes out of the discretionary fund. If they choose a cheaper version of the pair of shoes you would buy as an essential the difference goes into the discretionary fund.

The older the child the more information they get. So your oldest knows the essential budget as well as the discretionary and gift ones. This will allow them to start ‘managing’ their budget and making choices.

Oh for sure they will make mistakes so be careful and be prepared to give appropriate guidance. Like making a list of the things that are expected for the essentials so they don’t blow the entire budget on a pair of shoes but it will give them leeway in prioritizing what they find important.

Lastly, you and your husband need to get on the same page with how you approach money. I lost track of the whole trip thing. So treat that as separate and plan what makes sense. If you want everyone to go then price it out and save for it.

Peridot1 · 29/12/2021 15:53

@2022newname - fair enough! I missed the boob job!

BookFiend4Life · 29/12/2021 16:07

OP you need to sit down with someone and figure out a budget and savings plan, it sounds like you're really at loose ends trying to figure out what to do with your money. The reddit personal finance board has some good advice. For example after your outgoings you can have an amount set aside for vacations if that's something you want to do.

I don't really understand the angst over clothing. I guess I recommend not including uniform, school shoes, bras, underwear and socks in the clothing budget you give the kids as those are necessities and should just be replaced as needed. After that (and after figuring out the rest of your budget) decide how much you want to give them/spend on clothing through the year, split it in half, then take them shopping twice a year and keep them within that budget? Sorry if this advice has already been given, I don't really understand what's happening here.

bubble2000 · 29/12/2021 16:14

This thread is so upsetting I wonder if it is actually for real?

To quibble over afew £ on bras for a young woman moving towards womanhood??? To buy shoes from tkmaxx and not bother getting shoes properly fitted? To give young kids too much responsibility and stress regarding money/ budgets/ choices? And in the same breath talk about £10k holidays?

If this is actually for real, I think the poster needs urgent therapy/ parenting lessons / social services involvement as they are clearly unable to prioritise or understand how to safely kindly parent.

Redhotspicywine · 29/12/2021 16:16

Having seen your updates I just think you’re nasty to be honest

Children should come first or at least be equal - this is disgusting behaviour

redbigbananafeet · 29/12/2021 16:17

@Mousemay

This becoming more and more bizarre.. sorry you live somewhere with no different seasons but it has a tkmaxx Wink
Wink
BusterGonad · 29/12/2021 16:23

I do not believe any of this, I definitely do not believe that Onlyrainbows has got a fantastic, high earning job as a consultant in the big 4! (or very similar according to her other thread). She can hardly string a sentence together! I've never read such confusing drivel!!!

Onlyrainbows · 29/12/2021 16:24

@peridot thank you! I think people are missing that point which to me is a MASSIVE one.

OP posts:
AlDanvers · 29/12/2021 16:26

[quote Onlyrainbows]@peridot thank you! I think people are missing that point which to me is a MASSIVE one. [/quote]
Might want to keep reading.Wink

Rinoachicken · 29/12/2021 16:28

Haven’t yet reached the end of the thread but just had to respond about the bit where the OP says her kids don’t understand the concept of saving and would just waste it all on tat.

No, kids don’t understand the of saving unless we teach them and allow them to learn through trying!

I use gohenry cards for my two, my eldest is 12 so similar age to one of the OPs. He gets a small, and I mean under £5, allowance into his card every week. He can spend it however he likes. Initially he spent it all on sweets and crap. But then when he came asking for money for for its skins and suchlike, I said no, he’d have to use his own money for that. He didn’t have enough and had a huge tantrum. I reminded him that it was his choice what he spent his money on, and that in a couple of weeks, if he saved it, he would have enough to buy the thing himself. So he had to wait and save and bought it.

He got the hang of it, and now never asks me for money for little things and has even managed to save up to buy bigger things he wanted like wireless headphones that cost £40.

I buy all his clothes and shoes etc as needed, I would never expect him to pay for those, but if he wanted a specific thing that was more expensive I would ask him to contribute or save for it.

You need to give kids the chance to learn this stuff. It’s easier to learn when younger, with small amounts of money, than it is to try and learn when they off on their own at Uni and suddenly realise they have to pay fees, rent, food, clothes, travel, books and no idea how to do it.

Let them learn now.

It does mean you have to not judge what they choose to spend ‘their’ money on - they have to learn the value of money, and sometimes they will may what seem to be unwise choices, which they may regret later when they see something better but no longer have enough - but that’s how they learn.

Rinoachicken · 29/12/2021 16:28

That should say fortnite skins!

Cissyandflora · 29/12/2021 16:29

@BusterGonad

I do not believe any of this, I definitely do not believe that Onlyrainbows has got a fantastic, high earning job as a consultant in the big 4! (or very similar according to her other thread). She can hardly string a sentence together! I've never read such confusing drivel!!!
You are right. I just didn’t have the courage to say it because of the telling off that I’m not feeling up to. But I’ll say it too. This is absolute nonsense.
Itsalmostanaccessory · 29/12/2021 16:29

OP, what about activities?
Clubs, sports, entertainment, going out with friends. Do they have money for that?

Onlyrainbows · 29/12/2021 16:34

@rino my daughter had a gohenry and she wasted it all, do much that in the end her father and I decided there was no point (and that was after a couple of years).

I really don't mind whatever you think of my syntax or lack of it. Quite frankly I was annoyed as.my DH started to call me names for something he ultimately agrees is OK (apart from the uniforms and basics but I get that point now). My ex-husband is just as bad as he just bought her an iPhone whatever but had no idea she was only wearing my clothes for the most part.

I'm signing off because I came here for some sort of support not to be berated for my storytelling style, wanting to go on holiday with the kids, and trying to figure out a middle ground for a type of lifestyle that the DC have never experienced before.

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BusterGonad · 29/12/2021 16:35

Thanks! I don't care, its utter bollocks.

Hotyogahotchoc · 29/12/2021 16:35

@BusterGonad

I do not believe any of this, I definitely do not believe that Onlyrainbows has got a fantastic, high earning job as a consultant in the big 4! (or very similar according to her other thread). She can hardly string a sentence together! I've never read such confusing drivel!!!
I thought the same but there are a lot of threads about OP job hunting then interviewing and getting a job
BusterGonad · 29/12/2021 16:35

That was for Cissyandflora.