Why does 'wokeness' annoy people so much?

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Isn't it just trying to make the world a better place but making people feel accepted no matter their race, gender etc?

It seems to wind some people up so bad - and it's usually those that are part of a majority group that gets wound up most by it (usually white/men) - is it because they feel threatened?

Whenever anyone stands up for a cause they are automatically called woke - and it's now as if it's a bad thing.

It's sad, I see people fed up with 'wokeness' as code for 'we can't get away with our racist, sexist BS anymore as people are calling us out'.

It would be so good if you could provide links JohnHuffam as it might help explain things to the good folks out there who currently think that any old Tom Dick or Harry can just put on a frock/knickers/wig and 'be a woman'.

'Still can't explain the living as a woman thingy".

I thought this was fairly understandable, should I have said living as a transwoman instead ?

Isn't it just trying to make the world a better place but making people feel accepted no matter their race, gender etc?

I can't help noticing that woke people are very intolerant of   those who aren't woke.  Maybe if they could address that basic anomaly  the world would be a better place?

I agree the word has been hijacked and that's partly because some people who claimed the label are no where near as good as they like to think they are , making the hostile takeover very easy

The agism in places on this thread is just one example. Standing up for peoples rights at the same time as demonstrating "ist" behaviour shows people up as two faced or narrow minded

Now if you just quietly try to practise anti-ist behaviour you can get away with making such mistakes, learn and move on

If you position yourself as an expert on anti-ism however ( claiming to be woke unlike others ) and then abuse others , You b ring the woke label into disrepute

I don't think anyone would say they are " woke". I've never seen anybody describe themselves that way. It's a silly phrase much like calling someone a cultural marxist. Just a way of looking down on a person who appears to have an interest in equality. As far as I can make out anyway.

@JohnHuffam1812

'Still can't explain the living as a woman thingy".

I thought this was fairly understandable, should I have said living as a transwoman instead ?

But living as a transwoman isn't what is being written into law

Although it would probably be acceptable to a large proportion of the population who are currently anti self ID

@Liz1tummypain

I don't think anyone would say they are " woke". I've never seen anybody describe themselves that way. It's a silly phrase much like calling someone a cultural marxist. Just a way of looking down on a person who appears to have an interest in equality. As far as I can make out anyway.

Vladimir a few posts back as an example

@bordermidgebite. So you agree that use of language is important then ?

Have I ever implied it isn't?

I have said that trying to pretend that woke means what it originally meant in the US is pointless , as it's unnecessary

I think woke is basically used as an insult to describe anyone who talks about injustice.

@JohnHuffam1812

I think woke is basically used as an insult to describe anyone who talks about injustice.

I’ve not heard women fighting to keep male bodied sex offenders out of women’s prisons as being woke, not sure this definition quite works.

It clearly is impossible to answer the 'how do you live as a woman' question which is why either people just pretend they can't hear the question, or pretend they have answered it whilst refusing to show where and aggressively shouting down anyone who says they really can't see what would amount to an answer.

This can't be recognised though as the whole basis of trans ideology is built on a ridiculous unreflective belief that there is such a thing as 'being' or 'living' as a woman which is about neither our largely shared biology or our largely shared vulnerability to societal oppression and violence both driven by our biology. Anyone who chooses to look beyond their own needs can see this for the house of cards it is. But people don't want to deconstruct their own privilege and will use any number of tactics in order to silence people who ask for genuine discussion about this. Genuine discussion which can't even start until people answer simple question such as this in a simple way. Without such forthrightness it is not a conversation, it is another assault.

@JohnHuffam1812

I think woke is basically used as an insult to describe anyone who talks about injustice.

Wrong. It's used to describe people who do exactly the opposite. They work to hide intersectional disadvantage and privilege the already powerful. Their discussions are the exact opposite of discussing injustice.

There are vast differences between UK and U.S discourse on race. I agree. But that seems to have given some reason to completely shut down any discourse on UK race at all. Because we aren't as 'bad' as them or indeed our European neighbours. Again it comes down to if you can silence the oppressed by any means necessary then you can continue to wreak all sorts of state & personal havoc on them to your hearts content.

I don't think anyone has a problem with transwomen living as transwomen do they?

It's the "living as a woman" with the right to enter women's spaces that's the issue. Have you only just realised that?

I have been forced to be wide awake my whole life. No one listened or cared about my injustices so I got on with it as best they could - still marginalised but empowered by that. Then suddenly - some people, usually from a privileged position (that don't comprehend their own 'privilage' ) suddenly 'wake up' and are so up their own bottoms thinks it's their duty to correct all of life's wrongs. And have the nerve to assume their privilege should mean the world should listen. That's wokeness and I do not need any part timers who have never walked in my shoes to suddenly preach about how the world should be. Woke people don't change the world by aspiring to be better, they simply cancel or criticise the actions of others. That's lazy and ignorant.

@Whatiswrongwithmyknee

I disagree. I think its often used to denigrate people campaigning or talking about injustice.

For example anyone involved with BLM was described as woke, footballers kneeling, climate change campaigners and many more.

Just saying that they are "woke" works as an ad ho and allows their points to be dismissed.

@JohnHuffam1812

'Still can't explain the living as a woman thingy".

I thought this was fairly understandable, should I have said living as a transwoman instead ?

You can try saying should I talk about something entirely different instead, that's up to you.

My question to you was what is living as a woman since you said "Why is the term "living as a woman" so difficult for you to understand?"

I mean, that's what? four times I've asked the exact same question?

What is 'living as a woman'?

There are vast differences between UK and U.S discourse on race. I agree. But that seems to have given some reason to completely shut down any discourse on UK race at all. Because we aren't as 'bad' as them
Completely agree, and said exactly the same upthread, I'm nodding along in agreement at your posts here

Just saying that they are "woke" works as an ad ho and allows their points to be dismissed.

Exactly. Marcus Rashford was decried as all sorts for having the temerity to want to feed hungry kids. The tories were between themselves suggesting that food vouchers could be traded for drugs in crack dens, or that Rashford should just focus on football and my personal favourite offering recipes requiring a kilo of oats and a sprinkling of dust.

I think it's weirdly a national kink - that we should all suffer. Like that whole keep calm and carry on mentality and endless references to the war. And using terms like 'snowflake'.

@Liz1tummypain

I don't think anyone would say they are " woke". I've never seen anybody describe themselves that way. It's a silly phrase much like calling someone a cultural marxist. Just a way of looking down on a person who appears to have an interest in equality. As far as I can make out anyway.

You’re right. No one says they are woke. They just come out with superior nonsense like they are interested in equality. Implying that anyone who doesn’t agree with them is not interested in equality.

[quote JohnHuffam1812]@Whatiswrongwithmyknee

I disagree. I think its often used to denigrate people campaigning or talking about injustice.

For example anyone involved with BLM was described as woke, footballers kneeling, climate change campaigners and many more.

Just saying that they are "woke" works as an ad ho and allows their points to be dismissed.[/quote]

Caring about other people is not woke. But if you're a white man hopping on every black trade by and giving your two cents and obsessing over it then you probably are.

I speak as a non white woman with a DP as above. At first I thought it was admirable til I realised he does these grand social media gestures for a pat on the back from his black friends. No clue about other current events in the media.

Asked him about the child abuse cases in the news the past few weeks. Ignorant, apathetic, not bothered. So much for caring about social justice, it's nothing of the sort.

I think people who sneer at 'wokery' hitherto have had it pretty good thus don't really want any significant change. It reminds me of that Sainsbury's ad which featured a Black family - it got so many complaints I had to check what faux pas the ad had made - turns out a Black family having dinner is incredibly damaging and outrageous. I think for all it's ills social media has done wonders - I'm able to find and support Black creators rather than only having the options that white gatekeepers have decided suitable.

I agree with all your posts, VladmirsPoutine, and especially the above, ignored by most posters here who are too busy screaming bigoted nonsense.

It is all comes down to this: "I think people who sneer at 'wokery' hitherto have had it pretty good thus don't really want any significant change."

"Caring about other people is not woke. But if you're a white man hopping on every black trade by and giving your two cents and obsessing over it then you probably are."

Right, but this plays into a stereotype when the word is used to stop people discussing injustice or any other things. It belittles those who are trying to do things better. For example look at how it was used against the national trust.