Why does 'wokeness' annoy people so much?

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Isn't it just trying to make the world a better place but making people feel accepted no matter their race, gender etc?

It seems to wind some people up so bad - and it's usually those that are part of a majority group that gets wound up most by it (usually white/men) - is it because they feel threatened?

Whenever anyone stands up for a cause they are automatically called woke - and it's now as if it's a bad thing.

It's sad, I see people fed up with 'wokeness' as code for 'we can't get away with our racist, sexist BS anymore as people are calling us out'.

Performance "wokeness" is highly, HIGHLY irritating. I have a family member who is very loudly vegan and preaches the importance of zero carbon emissions. All very well and good but she takes two/three trips abroad by aeroplane every year and happily buys imported fruit and veg every week. But that's all offset by how loudly woke she is.

Ok I understand that wokeness can go too far of course. But it appears to be a negative thing no matter what it is

It’s the latest bandwagon on which to hitch a ride.

@LaurieFairyCake

YeH - wokeness doesn't appear to be about fixing structural inequality or poverty

Just virtue signalling on Insta/Facebook/tik Tok/various websites

It's just lazy bullshit

Let's keep it simple

If you didn't vote against Brexit you're a twat
If you don't get vaccinated you're an arsehole (barring disability)
If you try to hound J K Rowling off the internet for being (not at all) transphobic you're a wanker

Agreed!

@MichelleScarn could you give me an example of the ever changing rules? I've seen people mentioning this before but I never know what they're talking about.

Because a lot of it is fake activism - getting outraged on Twitter instead of actually doing anything that takes time, effort and genuine humanity.

Because a lot of it is misguided and actually against the very principles it apparently espouses - eg. insisting on enacting policies and language changes that make the problems worse in practice, not better.

Because a lot of it is hypocritical and aligns extremely well with entrenched capitalist, corporate and establishment interests, and this is never interrogated.

Because a lot of it is offensive to the people who came before, who engaged with and fought practical struggles that are being erased and glossed over by others, who have learned little about the issues, and think their often shallow and uninformed opinions are progressive when they are in fact counterproductive.

Because a lot of it is based on feelings not facts, and twists and distorts statistics and actual reality in favour of what people imagine is the case, rather than what is actually the case.

I get pissed off with middle class wokeness.
Some people have no idea of the battles people face in their life which mean they maybe don't have the energy or time to 'educate' themselves.

[quote ItsLoisSangersFault]@MichelleScarn could you give me an example of the ever changing rules? I've seen people mentioning this before but I never know what they're talking about.[/quote]
Not really as they are ever changing!

Gender is sexist. It's upholding regressive and damaging stereotypes. This does not make the world a better place.

Not even one example? That's a shame.

I definitely have a virtue signaller or two on my FB. I suppose they are the sort of 'woke' person who turns people off.

No problem with anyone. They can be any race, gender etc and I will accept them as they are. I dislike the fact I suddenly am meant to be CIS instead of just a woman and things like that. Suddenly it has become too much drama. I just want to be a woman and get on with my life and let others get on with theirs.

Please - what is wokeness? It would be really helpful to have a starting point.

Most 'woke' people tend to be the most intolerant people around. If you don't agree with them on absolutely everything then you are a terrible person and you and your impure thoughts need to either be 're-educated' or 'cancelled'.

This....

Gender is sexist. It's upholding regressive and damaging stereotypes. This does not make the world a better place.

This

@Omicrone

Most 'woke' people tend to be the most intolerant people around. If you don't agree with them on absolutely everything then you are a terrible person and you and your impure thoughts need to either be 're-educated' or 'cancelled'.

Its bullshit.

This

Because being woke means referring to pregnant people not pregnant women, wanting to remove all mention of women/female from sanitary towels and tampons and believing in the existence of a feminine penis. It’s all ridiculous bollocks, which is being forced on women.

@Omicrone

Most 'woke' people tend to be the most intolerant people around. If you don't agree with them on absolutely everything then you are a terrible person and you and your impure thoughts need to either be 're-educated' or 'cancelled'.

Its bullshit.

This.

With a good old dose of a sense of superiority to others and often hypocrisy in there too.

But it pisses a lot of people off because it can be so preachy whilst entirely shutting down any possibility of discussion/different perspective/debate. You're either with me or against all that is good and right with the world - an attitude that stupidly enough often backfires as it tends to fuel resentment of the topic under discussion.

It's v, v divisive. As I suspect this thread will illustrate, having seen sex and gender pulled in already.

@MadeOfStarStuff

Because being woke means referring to pregnant people not pregnant women, wanting to remove all mention of women/female from sanitary towels and tampons and believing in the existence of a feminine penis. It’s all ridiculous bollocks, which is being forced on women.

Thank you for your definition. Does being woke also extend to anti-racism? I assumed it did, but your answer suggests otherwise.

Many of the woke people who are shrill, aggressive and loud virtue signallers seem to be lacking in empathy, sensitivity, education, life experience, critical thinking.

Oooh ohhh woke

Lets watch MN decsend into anti trans batshittery that misundertands the process of becoming trans and blames all changes on the Labour party.

Even though the reforms to the GRA were insitigated by the Tories and are being led by a Tory MP. Who also recieves death threats and more from those ever so balanced people just trying to look out for women.

Essentially getting cross at the woke is part of the right wing culture war, they'll stoke whatever issue they want to, and provide loads of misinformation ( see above) and in order to maintain their status quo.

Maybe it would help if people could give me an example of famous woke people.

@Omicrone

Most 'woke' people tend to be the most intolerant people around. If you don't agree with them on absolutely everything then you are a terrible person and you and your impure thoughts need to either be 're-educated' or 'cancelled'.

Its bullshit.

This.

Say what?

@endofagain

"Many of the woke people who are shrill, aggressive and loud virtue signallers seem to be lacking in empathy, sensitivity, education, life experience, critical thinking."

Virtue signalling is only ever used by people who don't believe that anyone can do anything for any motive except flagrant self interest.

The anti woke brigade on Mumsnet so far today have proved themselves to have all of the flaws that you list above.