Why does 'wokeness' annoy people so much?

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Isn't it just trying to make the world a better place but making people feel accepted no matter their race, gender etc?

It seems to wind some people up so bad - and it's usually those that are part of a majority group that gets wound up most by it (usually white/men) - is it because they feel threatened?

Whenever anyone stands up for a cause they are automatically called woke - and it's now as if it's a bad thing.

It's sad, I see people fed up with 'wokeness' as code for 'we can't get away with our racist, sexist BS anymore as people are calling us out'.

It was a question

Lots of people in the public eye get death threats.

The Tory MP who is seeking to change the GRA gets them all the time from those lovely feminists who are just seeking to protect the rights of women.

Let's remind ourselves of your wording, John. Quite a claim. Specifically that women fighting for women's sex based rights are sending Nokes death threats "all the time". Back it up please.

@JohnHuffam1812

"Her rape threats were from one specific man and the death threats from other men.

Not too sure what you thought you'd prove there."

Except that was to do with a different issue? When she says she's receiving hatred and threats online about the GRA, people here don't believe her.

Maybe because you haven't shown us specifics yet.

There are quite a few threads that discuss her. None dismiss the abuse she has received. All use specific information, direct quotes from her.

So show us what you mean and we can discuss it. Specifically, not just some airy 'stuff'

And don't forget to look up Rosie.

"When you implied it was from transphobic women and tried to use that to shut us up and discredit people"

The threats that have come previously came from men yes.

Who do you think is sending bile and abuse regarding changes to the GRA?

Its all good though. My prediction that this thread would descend into typical MN anti trans batshittery was right.

Over all being "woke" is still used as a derogatory term in order to shut people up or dismiss them.

Remember when it was used to dismiss the England football team? Look at the racism that happened after the final ( never mind the Dalian Atkinson case and more).

Its interesting that those who appear to be against cancel culture use it in order to silence others.

I said she receievd abuse, and she had in the past recieved death threats, which was to do with a different issue.

Oh that's a bit different to "those lovely feminists who are just seeking to preserve the rights of women sending her death threats all the time", as you said, isn't it? Rather dishonest, just like when you tried to merge my comments with those of other posters to put words in my mouth.

"And don't forget to look up Rosie."

I did. It appears to be a complex case not simple cancel culture at all.

Ah! So you were incorrect in your initial assertion and are now offering up another distraction.

As I said, wokeness is all about the distraction.

No. Thank. You!

@JohnHuffam1812

"And don't forget to look up Rosie."

I did. It appears to be a complex case not simple cancel culture at all.

Bollocks! Sheer unadulterated bollocks!

The threats that have come previously came from men yes.

So not feminists then. Glad we got that straightened out.

On the other hand, we know that so called "woke" people have sent death threats and rape threats to a whole host of GC feminists, both in the public eye and not. And even more "woke" people have dismissed, excused and minimised these death and rape threats.

As I said, wokeness is all about the distraction.

Isn't it just!

Threads on a previous issue.

Who do you think is sending the abuse and bile she talks about when it comes to reform to the GRA?

@HoardingSamphireSaurus

Not bollocks. Or are you going to support anyone who has transphobic views just because it suits you?

If she said the things she was accused of, and behaved in the way she the others there said she did it means she certainly went beyond some boundaries.

If it were a man making sexist remarks like that at a work event you'd be demanding he was fired.

@bordermidgebite

They are saying that the threats are from men

Women writing letters of disagreement is not the sane as threats and hate

Unless you think a woman should never open her gob

There are plenty of “woke” men who think precisely this, and use the guise of being “progressive” to give free rein to their misogyny, particularly in the online realm.

I said she receievd abuse, and she had in the past recieved death threats, which was to do with a different issue.

Not what you said at all. You framed this as threats of violence from feminists: “Right, so the MP in charge of reforming the GRA hasn't recieved threats of violence and abuse? This is exclusively one group of people.”

Please point us to these feminists issuing threats of violence?

I notice a woman saying she has been abused is already downplayed and dismissed

No, women refusing to take responsibility for male violence (or threats thereof) does not equate to dismissing it.

Its interesting that those who appear to be against cancel culture use it in order to silence others.

Let's have a think about 'silencing others'.

No debate.
Acceptance without question
De-platforming
The chilling effect
Changes in language without consultation - women being told that they are to be referred to by the ridiculous made up term cis or by terms like 'people with a cervix'.
The Welsh Government 'losing' all their Equality Impact documents relating to women's services
The Scottish Police investigating ribbons and stickers as 'hate crimes'.

The anti women movement's current mantra appears to be 'comply...or else'.

I said this would descend into anti trans batshittery and it has.

As usual on MN it becomes the only issue that can be debated.

Being "woke" is simply something said to people who are highlighting injustice in order to shut them up.

Well the evidence so far is that the abuse is coming from a few specific men

You can only argue therefore that abuse is coming from GC feminists if you redefine abuse to "women disagreeing with you"

Which funnily enough does seem to be a feature of some who claim to be woke ... the ability to feel hurt and abused if anything or anyone disagrees with them or says something ( innocently and without any Ill intent ) that they have defined as hurtful

Who do you think is sending the abuse and bile she talks about when it comes to reform to the GRA?

I'd like to know whether "abuse and bile" is just women disagreeing robustly, and calling out her many shortcomings and shit management of the pointless GRA consultation she's presiding over. As you've grudgingly acknowledged that women aren't sending her violent threats, which was like pulling teeth

Caroline Nokes is a public servant, and people are entitled to complain if she doesn't do her job properly, like anyone in government.

I think people who sneer at 'wokery' hitherto have had it pretty good thus don't really want any significant change. It reminds me of that Sainsbury's ad which featured a Black family - it got so many complaints I had to check what faux pas the ad had made - turns out a Black family having dinner is incredibly damaging and outrageous.
Completely agree
The response your comment got about that being another example of cancel culture though?
Not so much.
Why on earth should people have to listen to racists saying they have a problem with black people being represented on telly, or that it's woke crap to include them?
dons post sums up what 's wrong really - racists etc really don't like being challenged or questioned.
I don't give a shiny shit if racists feel silenced or a victim of being cancelled as they feel they can't say what they like about black people any more, and if that makes me woke, then meh, I don't care.

Well next time don't harp on about the trans issue, don't throw about insinuations

I was happily talking statues until you turned up ( ok until I fell asleep and missed a bit )

And it was a discussion I found interesting and thought provoking

It was dismissed. A previous poster said she didn't trust the MP.

Sorry.

Oh and if it's men sending the abuse when it's pro trans issues, and those who might support trans rights have to take responsibility for that, why don't those who are pro women's rights in this case have to as well?

It seems to be double standards all round

@JohnHuffam1812

I said this would descend into anti trans batshittery and it has.

As usual on MN it becomes the only issue that can be debated.

Being "woke" is simply something said to people who are highlighting injustice in order to shut them up.

I have yet to see any 'anti trans' comments on here. What I see, are women, scared women, desperate to hold onto their safeguarding rights and rights to safe spaces. But I don't expect a male to understand the constant flight or fight fear women have.

[quote JohnHuffam1812]@HoardingSamphireSaurus

Not bollocks. Or are you going to support anyone who has transphobic views just because it suits you?

If she said the things she was accused of, and behaved in the way she the others there said she did it means she certainly went beyond some boundaries.

If it were a man making sexist remarks like that at a work event you'd be demanding he was fired.[/quote]
Which 'she'?

What behaviour?

Be specific.

Also be aware that we have also had a few threads on the subject and read a lot if social media stuff that has since been deleted.

But be specific and maybe we can talk properly.

Which words?

I discussed statutes, and other things, the trans issue keeps getting thrown out though.

As said with statues, the debate here and the states is different, but the idea that it is rewriting history in anyway is ridiculous.