Why does 'wokeness' annoy people so much?

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Isn't it just trying to make the world a better place but making people feel accepted no matter their race, gender etc?

It seems to wind some people up so bad - and it's usually those that are part of a majority group that gets wound up most by it (usually white/men) - is it because they feel threatened?

Whenever anyone stands up for a cause they are automatically called woke - and it's now as if it's a bad thing.

It's sad, I see people fed up with 'wokeness' as code for 'we can't get away with our racist, sexist BS anymore as people are calling us out'.

Her rape threats were from one specific man and the death threats from other men.

Not too sure what you thought you'd prove there.

And why ' obviously not'?

Given the words used and the reasoning behind the threats she received... not to mention the identity of those known?

People are not so much annoyed with, but are bored with wokeness and are pissed off with having to take their words out of their mouth and look at them before they speak, lest the offend the leftie-wokie brigade. Not just left-wing, many of who are fine, but the far-left/woke...

The leftie wokies are spiteful and vitriolic, and shout down ANYONE who doesn't think like them, with accusations of bigot, racist, gammon, and thick numb-skulled brex-shitteer etc....... Because they are sooo narrow minded and bigoted that they cannot accept ANY views other than their own, and assume every opinion of theirs is right, and any others are wrong, and anyone who thinks differently is THICK and uneducated.

And anyone who says 'well if the caps fits' is just proving my point.

The arrogance from some, knows no bounds. As I say, they think ONLY their views and opinions are valid, and correct, and (for example,) they say that anyone who questions 1000s of immigrants entering the UK illegally, is a massive over privileged racist, and if you voted Tory, you're a thick racist cunt.

The leftie wokies accuse people of being racist for the most innocuous comments. It's pathetic and embarrassing, and an insult to people actually suffering from racism.

Seriously, I have seen SO much nasty vitriolic shit written by leftie-wokies over this past 4 or 5 years on social media that it's no wonder some people have been pushed a bit further towards to right/right of centre.

Yet I rarely see the same hate and vitriol from right leaning or centric people. In fact, many right leaning and centric won't even post their views anymore because of the hateful spiteful comments from the leftie wokies.

The leftie wokies were all shocked and devastated because the Brexit LEAVE side won and Boris got in again, and not Corbyn. Cuz like EVERYONE they know hates the tories and voted remain. Errrr, actually NO they didn't. Lots of people voted tory and for the LEAVE vote; they just didn't tell you, because you're a spiteful, bigoted, small-minded troll who will lambast them and not want to be their 'FRIEND' anymore.

It only seems to be the leftie remoaner types who don't want to be friends with anyone who has a different opinion to them. Centric & 'right leaning' people will be friends with anyone.

There was a tweet on twitter a few days ago that spoke volumes about the narrow-minded and bigoted 'woke...'

'I’m friends with an ex Tory voter. Also Brexit voter but regrets it now. Is it unfair that although he’s lovely and a nice, kind, loyal friend, I have made it clear that our friendship can only ever go so far as I can’t forgive his voting past?'

I won't name this person on here, as I don't want her attacked anymore. She has been quite understandably lambasted on twitter. But THAT comment spoke volumes, and is the leftie wokies in a nutshell.

I am friends with right wing people, and left wing, and people like myself - centric. I am also friends with people who voted LEAVE in the 'Leave the EU' referendum, and those who voted 'remain.' Many of the remainers are perfectly nice people who have accepted we lost and are just getting on with life, and are not bleating about it almost 6 years later.

As a poster said a few posts back, these leftie wokie types are happy to insult when it suits, calling people over 60 'boomers' and pensioners greedy and over privileged. And they insult the working classes with sneery remarks about how only low class people say 'Santa' or 'tea' instead of dinner, and they deride single mothers on benefits, with children with names they class as 'chavvy...' But then they get on their wokie high horse when it suits.

Thanks hoarding

You mean like this? - www.terfisaslur.com

You'll struggle to find an equivalent on the 'other side'.

You'll struggle to find women screaming 'witch' or 'repent motherfucker' or scrawling 'choke on a dick' outside a conference talking about violence against women.

You'll struggle to find meetings disrupted and academics deplatformed.

Joanna Cherry received rape threats which were deemed credible enough for her to receive police protection and the leader of her party shrugged her shoulders. Who wasn't believed that they had received threats about the GRA? I find it hard to believe that those threats came from women, frankly, though I can certainly believe that the person received threats.

There is a shift towards trying to paint 'both sides as bad as each other' because the general public are becoming more aware of what has been going on. It's absolute nonsense.

Right, so the MP in charge of reforming the GRA hasn't recieved threats of violence and abuse? This is exclusively one group of people.

Please link to where she talks about the threats she received, as I have asked you repeatedly to do and you have not yet done. All you said was that she talked about receiving "bile and abuse". What is the specific nature of the threats you claim she received? I assume it's a police matter now.

I can link you to thousands of threats of rape and extreme violence from male people towards women speaking up about their sex based rights.

"The leftie wokies are spiteful and vitriolic, and shout down ANYONE who doesn't think like them, with accusations of bigot, racist, gammon, and thick numb-skulled brex-shitteer etc....... Because they are sooo narrow minded and bigoted that they cannot accept ANY views other than their own, and assume every opinion of theirs is right, and any others are wrong, and anyone who thinks differently is THICK and uneducated."

Another strawman. I see this point argued far more by people aiming not to be woke than I see it made by people who are highlighting injustice and discrimination.

"Her rape threats were from one specific man and the death threats from other men.

Not too sure what you thought you'd prove there."

Except that was to do with a different issue? When she says she's receiving hatred and threats online about the GRA, people here don't believe her.

scrawling 'choke on a dick' outside a conference talking about violence against women.

Indeed.

When she says she's receiving hatred and threats online about the GRA

Please detail the specific threats, or I'm going to assume you're making that up.

@Ereshkigalangcleg

As said she said it in a guardain article the other day.

"I can link you to thousands of threats of rape and extreme violence from male people towards women speaking up about their sex based rights."

And ? Does this mean you think that people who are "woke" all support this?

Cause of course people don't you know.

To be fair when a group says they are against discrimination and then suggests this is because they are not old ( RTFT)

Or pretends sex doesn't exist as a source of discrimination ( see Labour Party policy)

they really do themselves no favours

Right, so the MP in charge of reforming the GRA hasn't recieved threats of violence and abuse? This is exclusively one group of people.

I don’t know, has she? She mentions “bile and abuse” in her Guardian article but seems to equate this with people voicing objections to making it easy for males to access female spaces, which apparently they should shut up about because they are wrong:

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/dec/23/why-am-i-being-abused-for-trying-to-improve-gender-recognition-process

It’s the usual false equivalence that women articulating their rights is akin to death and rape threats from those who wish to remove them.

The only reports I can find of her receiving actual threats of violence have to do with issues unrelated to GRA reform (Stanley Johnson accusation and Brexit) and those threats came from men, not feminists.

If you can show us evidence of feminists threatening violence to MPs, I’d be interested to see them, because the “exclusive group of people” I see enacting this behaviour is men.

@foxgoosefinch

Because a lot of it is fake activism - getting outraged on Twitter instead of actually doing anything that takes time, effort and genuine humanity.

Because a lot of it is misguided and actually against the very principles it apparently espouses - eg. insisting on enacting policies and language changes that make the problems worse in practice, not better.

Because a lot of it is hypocritical and aligns extremely well with entrenched capitalist, corporate and establishment interests, and this is never interrogated.

Because a lot of it is offensive to the people who came before, who engaged with and fought practical struggles that are being erased and glossed over by others, who have learned little about the issues, and think their often shallow and uninformed opinions are progressive when they are in fact counterproductive.

Because a lot of it is based on feelings not facts, and twists and distorts statistics and actual reality in favour of what people imagine is the case, rather than what is actually the case.

This says it all. Particularly how the wokians are just helping out massive, multi million pound industries. They're all buying into the bullshit but they're too self righteous to see it.

Very well written comment.

@Ereshkigalangcleg

Not making it up. Told you where to find it.

You really are a one track mind person aren't you.

Its amazing though how the anti trans mob on MN present themselves as so tolerant and as the defenders of women's rights yet are so keen to dismiss a women who says something they don't like.

No you didn't, please link to the specific quote. You can't say "gender critical feminists sent her death threats" without backing it up.

I think John the word woke is completely unhelpful, and unnecessary

people label themselves as righteous and use that as an excuse to dish out hate

RTFT to see agism in action -all old people are racist it seems

See people in action against women who want to protect sex safe spaces , because that "harms" transpeople -pitching group against group not working towards rights for all

"It’s the usual false equivalence that women articulating their rights is akin to death and rape threats from those who wish to remove them."

Are you saying that she isn't really recieving abuse and its merely people articulating their rights?

So pro woman.

They are saying that the threats are from men

Women writing letters of disagreement is not the sane as threats and hate

Unless you think a woman should never open her gob

"No you didn't, please link to the specific quote. You can't say "gender critical feminists sent her death threats" without backing it up."

I said she receievd abuse, and she had in the past recieved death threats, which was to do with a different issue.

The link is above if you want it, but I notice a woman saying she has been abused is already downplayed and dismissed.

Check out the " how do I know if I am autistic?" thread on this board for great examples of language policing with venom.

@BrightYellowDaffodil

Because the people I know who pride themselves on being woke are the ones who are so inclusive they’re utterly intolerant.

This. My DH and I once had a conversation with someone who ran the LGBTQ+ organisation at their University. She couldn't have been more intolerant. She openly told my husband that he couldn't possibly understand the struggles of the people in the LGBTQ+ group because he is white, male, and straight. She never asked him about his sexuality, because if she did, she would have learned that he is actually bisexual. She just assumed based on the fact that he had a wife.

I have also been kindly informed by someone "woke" that by being straight, I am closed-minded and judgemental against women. I pointed out that just because I am not attracted to women doesn't mean that I judge them, but this person then said that "right wingers" like me will eventually see the light... I vote Labour and believe in centre-left policies.

I often find that "woke" just means extremist.

Calling out unacceptable behaviour is right.

However, those who cry woke - believe that their reality and understanding is the only way and if you think something slightly out of their often insular view then you are racist, nasty, old etc...

A truly enlightened person can listen to both sides of an argument and accept there are rights and wrongs and different interpretations to every subject. Not do as my niece does when confronted with an equally valid view point - start crying and saying you are not listening to me, you do not understand, your old and racist.

Yes i do, but I choose to disagree with your interpretation on this issue, your view is valid as is mine- they can both co exist.

The woke brigade need to learn, from history, not hide it, be more tolerant of other views - offensive or otherwise and wiping out evidence of pass wrongs does not help the next generation understand where things did go wrong and how we moved forward from it. Evolution happens and society evolves, does not mean that all things the past were right and all things wrong.

Today in the media - people are seeking redress for those rounded up in the early 1500s and accused of witchcraft. How does that help todays society?

"Unless you think a woman should never open her gob"

Oh wow, again something that has not been said.

Is your argument so weak you must repeatedly create strawmen?

We are just pointing out that the actual threats and hard came from men

When you implied it was from transphobic women and tried to use that to shut us up and discredit people