Why does 'wokeness' annoy people so much?

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Isn't it just trying to make the world a better place but making people feel accepted no matter their race, gender etc?

It seems to wind some people up so bad - and it's usually those that are part of a majority group that gets wound up most by it (usually white/men) - is it because they feel threatened?

Whenever anyone stands up for a cause they are automatically called woke - and it's now as if it's a bad thing.

It's sad, I see people fed up with 'wokeness' as code for 'we can't get away with our racist, sexist BS anymore as people are calling us out'.

@bordermidgebite

Calling out racist behaviour isn't woke , it's anti racist .

It doesn't need an additional new label that to many older people would have needed explaining

once you start using words and labels that need explanation you are putting a barrier between yourself and the old fashioned anti racists, implying you are something more . Smug is what people then see

Woke is used by others a supposed insult when racism etc is discussed /called out by others though, it's not something people really use to describe themselves.

I thought the SATC reboot was highlighting racism, gender ideology for the sake of it. They sure as shit didn’t care when they had their gay stereotypes and the glaringly obvious lack of cast members of colour. It used to be called tokenism and it’s just there to show how they’ve changed and how progressive they are. It isn’t doing anything practical about race issues or sexism. In the grand scheme of things SATC isn’t doing anything to support any of the issues they are “highlighting” but it certainly makes them look like good people, getting paid lots of money and not actually addressing the issues.

@SportsMother do you mean Julie Burchill? Julie Bindel is a lesbian women's rights campaigner and partner of Harriet Wistrich.

@SportsMother Ah, sorry, I think I misunderstood your point!

@SportsMother

"Let’s ask the question differently: among you and like minded friends and acquaintances is it taboo to wear Harry Potter or read Robert Galbraith / have a Dave Chapelle evening/ admit to finding something positive in Petersen’s book? Is it possible to be simultaneously woke and to stand up in any way for those individuals"

Of course all of these things are not taboo.

The likening of "being cancelled" to a fatwah is ridiculous hyperbole.

@beastlyslumber

Read through that list.

I'm sure the transpeople fired for being trans were not woke enough, or the people who violated the terms and conditions of their contract, or Trump and others who violated the T and Cs of use of a website.

Its not a list of people who were cancelled for not being woke enough

I think one thing is shown here, the people who classify themselves as anti woke are aggressively dismissing any group who they consider to be "woke" and making sweeping generalisations about what the all believe.

Its actually used against people who have a range of different beliefs to dismiss them. Anti racist- woke. Climate change- woke.

@JohnHuffam1812

Re-read my initial post and perhaps you could give an example of aggression from it.

[quote JohnHuffam1812]@beastlyslumber

Read through that list.

I'm sure the transpeople fired for being trans were not woke enough, or the people who violated the terms and conditions of their contract, or Trump and others who violated the T and Cs of use of a website.

Its not a list of people who were cancelled for not being woke enough[/quote]
There are plenty on that list who were fired for not being woke enough. And I'm sure you "read through that list" of hundreds of people and didn't just dismiss any examples that didn't fit with your existing prejudices...

Cynthia Nixon has said that she agreed to appear on And Just Like That on the condition that it was more diverse and not tone deaf as the original series.

I think people who sneer at 'wokery' hitherto have had it pretty good thus don't really want any significant change. It reminds me of that Sainsbury's ad which featured a Black family - it got so many complaints I had to check what faux pas the ad had made - turns out a Black family having dinner is incredibly damaging and outrageous. I think for all it's ills social media has done wonders - I'm able to find and support Black creators rather than only having the options that white gatekeepers have decided suitable.

The professionally woke are only interested in certain types of transgressions

They’re more than happy to be ageist “ok boomer” sexist - prioritising the feelings of male ppl over women because they might be sad if they can’t use woman’s spaces when they say they feel like a woman and frankly couldn’t give a fuck about the difficulties faced by ppl with disabilities

Corporates signal their wokedom with east solutions that don’t require any effort of heaven forgets money eg making the ladies loos ‘gender neutral’ requires no more than a change of signage. How much easier to do that than make physical changes to buildings to accommodate ppl with mobility difficulties or put on proper childcare facilities.

I’ll not be lectured by ppl who’ve hardly lived and spent most of what they have lived on line, about who does and does not face discrimination in society

@Theeyeballsinthesky

The professionally woke are only interested in certain types of transgressions

They’re more than happy to be ageist “ok boomer” sexist - prioritising the feelings of male ppl over women because they might be sad if they can’t use woman’s spaces when they say they feel like a woman and frankly couldn’t give a fuck about the difficulties faced by ppl with disabilities

Corporates signal their wokedom with east solutions that don’t require any effort of heaven forgets money eg making the ladies loos ‘gender neutral’ requires no more than a change of signage. How much easier to do that than make physical changes to buildings to accommodate ppl with mobility difficulties or put on proper childcare facilities.

I’ll not be lectured by ppl who’ve hardly lived and spent most of what they have lived on line, about who does and does not face discrimination in society

Well said and spot on

"There are plenty on that list who were fired for not being woke enough"

And Donald Trump and others are on that list too. They were not fired for not being woke enough. Nor was he cancelled.

I'm sure the transpeople on there that were fired for being trans would love to hear how they were fired for not being woke enough.

In reality its just a list of people who lost their jobs for different reasons, in reality most probably violated the terms and conditions of their contracts.

I think people who sneer at 'wokery' hitherto have had it pretty good thus don't really want any significant change. It reminds me of that Sainsbury's ad which featured a Black family - it got so many complaints I had to check what faux pas the ad had made - turns out a Black family having dinner is incredibly damaging and outrageous.

But that's another example of cancel culture. In this case the excuse will be something about Britishness or tradition but it's still people thinking they have the right to force their opinions on others, in the same way as wokery.

Stawmen out in force here.

Such good critical thinking from the "anti woke".

Have you noticed how being woke gets thrown as an insult to shut people up?

Ironic.

They’re more than happy to be ageist “ok boomer” sexist - prioritising the feelings of male ppl over women because they might be sad if they can’t use woman’s spaces when they say they feel like a woman and frankly couldn’t give a fuck about the difficulties faced by ppl with disabilities

And they're ok with homophobia if it means avoiding the ire of trans activists by not clearly stating that lesbians are allowed to not be attracted to all biologically male people including trans people.

It doesn't really matter what the word means to anyone.

All you need to know about it is illustrated in this thread.

Some argue that a specific cohort is bad for being woke

Some argue that a specific mindset is woke

Some argue something else.

The point is that it's just today's word for shit that separates us all. Crap that distracts from any real issues

Anyone using or defending the term... you are part of the problem. You have allowed yourself to be distracted from whatever issue it is you hold dear. You don't even know who or what distracted you.

At least this time it's a word, not a war!

Have you noticed how being woke gets thrown as an insult to shut people up?

And have you noticed where death threats, unwanted photos of erections, threats of violence, threats of sexual violence, use of misogynistic slurs, use of doxxing and campaigns to get people sacked are all coming together from?

It's not anti-woke people is it. It's the other lot. The one's complaining about being called "woke" while they support all of the above to try and shut women people up.

The very title reads why do people object to "woke" -implying that the OP at least sees herself as woke and wants to use the word in a positive sense

Agree it's more often used derogatory generalisation

To which I would suggest, leave it as that and find better ways to address the issues than wanting to reclaim the word woke

Oh, JohnHuffam if it hasn't already been suggested, look up Rosie Kay

"And have you noticed where death threats, unwanted photos of erections, threats of violence, threats of sexual violence, use of misogynistic slurs, use of doxxing and campaigns to get people sacked are all coming together from?"

Right, so the MP in charge of reforming the GRA hasn't recieved threats of violence and abuse? This is exclusively one group of people.

Have you noticed how this is always thrown back as it happens exclusively to one side of a debate? I note also that people here have been so pro women that the female member of parliment who is leading the reforms, and who faced abuse, was not believed.

So pro women eh?

"It's not anti-woke people is it. It's the other lot. The one's complaining about being called "woke" while they support all of the above to try and shut women people up."

Again its all one side vs the other. It really isn't. I note how this debate has gone and anyone who offers an alternate point is accused of being pro violence and hate.

I mean, its great that you show yourself to be so hypocritical and the arguments are easy to pick apart.

Would that "exclusively one group of people " be men ?

"Would that "exclusively one group of people " be men ?"

Obviously not, but of course you are going to portray it in this way and not believe the woman who says she got abused because that doesn't suit.