Why does 'wokeness' annoy people so much?

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Isn't it just trying to make the world a better place but making people feel accepted no matter their race, gender etc?

It seems to wind some people up so bad - and it's usually those that are part of a majority group that gets wound up most by it (usually white/men) - is it because they feel threatened?

Whenever anyone stands up for a cause they are automatically called woke - and it's now as if it's a bad thing.

It's sad, I see people fed up with 'wokeness' as code for 'we can't get away with our racist, sexist BS anymore as people are calling us out'.

Right, so in fact you do think that lesbians are "bigoted" if they don't want to sleep with penises.
No.
READ what I actually wrote.
As in you are attracted to who you are attracted to.
Why would you say I'm not sleeping with you because you're trans? though?
You'd surely just be like saying no thanks and moving on just like you would with anyone else you're not attracted to.

[quote NoNotMeNoSiree]@johnhuffam1812
Yep, seems that way, would expect nothing less from them though![/quote]
You haven’t yet clarified. Are you stating that a lesbian not wanting to sleep with a person with a penis is bigoted?

And, just for clarity, who is “them” that you expect so little of?

@Furries

You really are trying with this one aren't you.

@NoNotMeNoSiree

Right, so in fact you do think that lesbians are "bigoted" if they don't want to sleep with penises. No. READ what I actually wrote. As in you are attracted to who you are attracted to. Why would you say I'm not sleeping with you because you're trans? though? You'd surely just be like saying no thanks and moving on just like you would with anyone else you're not attracted to.

FML - you really are doing some amazing stretches with your comeback posts.

Why would you answer a specific, clear question about same sex attraction with an inane platitude about anyone having the right to be attracted to people or not be, when in fact you do think it's sometimes bigoted for people to refuse to sleep with groups of people? As you said?

So see, whatever response was given to your loaded question you were going to come out with a post like the one above.
Exactly, I knew as I was commenting it's going to get twisted, been around MN too long.

@NoNotMeNoSiree

Right, so in fact you do think that lesbians are "bigoted" if they don't want to sleep with penises. No. READ what I actually wrote. As in you are attracted to who you are attracted to. Why would you say I'm not sleeping with you because you're trans? though? You'd surely just be like saying no thanks and moving on just like you would with anyone else you're not attracted to.

Yes, well you know people often will not in person say "Oh, I don't want to have sex with you because you are smelly/poor/whatever" usually they just say not interested.

But the fact is that there will be a reason. And one of the reasons that is generally considered pretty basic, that we recognize as significant, is that the person is the sex we find attractive. Most people are attracted much more so or exclusively to one sex or the other.

You seem to be saying that is not legitimate, or real, it's difficult to say. Or do you mean, it's ok but only if you don't admit it? Or... something else? Because it seems quite difficult to undrstand how you are saying it is ok to be attracted to a particular sex on the one hand, but not on the other.

As a general internet rule, we all know that we're not going to get a straight answer from some people online. It's clear when people are posting in good faith, and when they are not.

I find that the morally righteous on the whole are the worst for that type of avoiding of difficult questions. It gives the lie to the courage of their convictions.

Don't know why I'm bothering, but
when in fact you do think it's sometimes bigoted for people to refuse to sleep with groups of people? As you said?
If you try reading properly what I said, I said you're entitled to sleep with whoever you want.
Saying it's because ew trans or whatever just no, it doesn't need to be said.
Just don't if you aren't attracted to trans people then you aren't.
Fair enough.
Just say no thanks
No explanation needed

Why would you say I'm not sleeping with you because you're trans? though?

You wouldn't. You'd say "I'm not sleeping with you as I'm not attracted to people of the male sex". Nothing to do with "trans" in this poster's case.

@NoNotMeNoSiree

So see, whatever response was given to your loaded question you were going to come out with a post like the one above. Exactly, I knew as I was commenting it's going to get twisted, been around MN too long.

Seriously, don’t try peddling this bullshit. What you posted is very clear for everyone to see.

You don’t get to back-peddle and kind of joke about how you knew it would be misinterpreted. That’s really poor form.

It's clear when people are posting in good faith, and when they are not.
It sure is

Just don't if you aren't attracted to trans people then you aren't.

Males. As you know. That's the reason a lesbian who is exclusively same sex attracted wouldn't be interested. Because they are the wrong sex. That's ok, isn't it? Being a lesbian is acceptable, no?

What you posted is very clear for everyone to see.
Good, I hope it is! As some of the posts on here have made me worry for people's reading comprehension, or that they're so blinded by a one track mind that they can't see what anyone else is saying.

That's ok, isn't it? Being a lesbian is acceptable, no?
Yes, as I said, if you actually read my post properly, you'd know that I thought that was OK.

@NoNotMeNoSiree

Don't know why I'm bothering, but when in fact you do think it's sometimes bigoted for people to refuse to sleep with groups of people? As you said? If you try reading properly what I said, I said you're entitled to sleep with whoever you want. Saying it's because ew trans or whatever just no, it doesn't need to be said. Just don't if you aren't attracted to trans people then you aren't. Fair enough. Just say no thanks No explanation needed

No, lesbians aren't attracted to males. That is why they wouldn't be interested.

You seem to be suggesting that there are not people who are attracted to a particular sex. Or that if they are, there is something distasteful about it.

That's all well and good, and yes nothing wrong with good manners and live and let live -, the fact that racism, homophobia and transphobia exists shows that people don't always live and let live though, do they?!

What is your definition of 'transphobia' , @NoNotMeNoSiree ?

I know what my definition of femphobia is.

@NoNotMeNoSiree

Don't know why I'm bothering, but when in fact you do think it's sometimes bigoted for people to refuse to sleep with groups of people? As you said? If you try reading properly what I said, I said you're entitled to sleep with whoever you want. Saying it's because ew trans or whatever just no, it doesn't need to be said. Just don't if you aren't attracted to trans people then you aren't. Fair enough. Just say no thanks No explanation needed

I mean, in an ideal world, women just saying “no thanks” would be the holy bloody grail. But it’s not an ideal world. And, in addition to the common garden variety of male on female abuse, there is now targeted hatred towards lesbians who don’t want to sleep with people with penises.

Funnily enough, I get the vague feeling that these women are not running around hurting people’s feelings by bringing trans into it. But they are being vilified for the fact that they are only attracted to the same SEX. And some of the language used is vile and related solely to the physical attributes of a male.

So, in the politest possible way, fuck off with your back peddling and justifications.

You seem to be suggesting that there are not people who are attracted to a particular sex. Or that if they are, there is something distasteful about it.

Yes, it could all be cleared up if people genuinely wanted to make clear, unequivocal statements, and simply clarified that it's ok for women (and men) to reject all members of the opposite sex as sexual partners, on the grounds of their same sex sexual orientation. Because anything else is rather homophobic.

@ItsLoisSangersFault

Also- do woke people call themselves woke or is that something other people call them?

In my experience it's people referring to you as woke if you call out racism, homophobia transphobia etc It's not something you call or see yourself as

And what is your definition of transphobia?

Do you ask people to define homophobia?
Sexism?
Racism?
Or just that one?

I think it’s a culture wars thing. It is just a way of the right wing media demonising the left wing. Woke means you’ve woken up. So you see systemic prejudice. Personally I would be proud to be woke but I don’t class myself as virtue signaling or a wanker. It’s just a way of belittling people who care about issues.

@NoNotMeNoSiree

Do you ask people to define homophobia? Sexism? Racism? Or just that one?

I ask because with homophobia and racism, the definition is obvious. However when Meninists (TRAs) the definition seems to include any woman who wants a safe space away from male bodied people.

So if you have nothing to hide, why not tell us how you define transphobia? Is it a person who fears and loathes transgender people? Or is it any woman who wants biological sex only safe spaces? Because if it's the latter, you are minimising the effects of real actual transphobia has on trans people, to the extent that 'transphobia' has basically been rendered meaningless these days.