Why does 'wokeness' annoy people so much?

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Isn't it just trying to make the world a better place but making people feel accepted no matter their race, gender etc?

It seems to wind some people up so bad - and it's usually those that are part of a majority group that gets wound up most by it (usually white/men) - is it because they feel threatened?

Whenever anyone stands up for a cause they are automatically called woke - and it's now as if it's a bad thing.

It's sad, I see people fed up with 'wokeness' as code for 'we can't get away with our racist, sexist BS anymore as people are calling us out'.

There is a significant amount of smug self-righteous virtue signalling involved I am afraid.

You're darn tootling right, it is! grin
Why was my question on racism quoted, but batted away with whataboutery?
Which is now being touted as the Question That Must Be Answered?
Sorry for the flippant tone, but honestly it gets beyond ridiculous on here.

You're daft as anything. Yes you should have spoken up about racist views. I agree, and said that in my reply. Didn't you read it?

But you don't seem to think I can speak up, as a lesbian, about homophobia. That's "whataboutery" according to you.

Or don't you really think racism and homophobia are the same, as soon as someone points out "woke" views are homophobic?

I gave a person who had publically said they had been targeted and then others said they didn't believe.

You claimed that GC feminists specifically had sent Nokes death threats. You are the anonymous claimant on the internet in that case.

@JohnHuffam1812

You realise that the Harvard Lawsuit you are talking about ended with the judgement that the admissions policy did not unduly discrimiate against Asian Americans right?

As far as I remember the court case didn't mention black or other students but compared the Asian students to white ones.

I have many friends in Academia who don't think its an issue at all, and actually find the "freedom of speech" crisis in universities to be very manufacutred by certain politicians and newspapers. In fact this is a view often repeated by people publically when the freedom of speech issue is raised by the government.

Chris Rock ? That story is about 9 years old!

Yes, they did find that it was legal, which is quite distressing as it's deeply racist and not even helping the students it so patronizingly hopes to. And yes, it involved black and hispanic students, however they were advantaged by the scheme so could not claim damages in a lawsuit.

But if you knew what they did I'm not sure why you claimed you didn't. There really is no way to dress this up, it's blatantly marking certain students down because of their race.

@VladmirsPoutine

Isn't JK a near-billionaire who lives in a Scottish castle? If that's being cancelled then can I please get cancelled before the New Year!! Rent's due on Friday and I'd really appreciate it if I could be settled in my shiny castle before then!!

She's received literally thousands of rape and death threats online, had people show up outside her house protesting, had people very happy to profit from her intellectual property releasing statements against her. All for making some very carefully written statements in line with what the majority of people think.

No she's not cancelled she's too big and successful to be cancelled but it's a good example of how the way a section of society who thinks their views are the right views will behave towards someone who doesn't toe their line.

You link to Nokes describing the death threats she knows were sent by GC feminist women, and I'll link to children's authors' own claims that they have been targeted and cancelled for speaking up for women's rights (as well as sent threats). Deal?

"you'd know bullying from her colleagues was one fo the specific reasons for her resigning. Never heard of constructive dismissal?"

There were apparently some colleagues who didn't back her, but the majority, and most importantly the management did.

I love that you've questioned my intelligence, nice ad hominem. Rather belittles your point doesn't it?

Also, I've not actually expressed any view on here other than this would descend into an anti trans thread ( I was right). So I do wonder how you can see what my beliefs are, making assumptions are we?

You're entitled to sleep with whoever you want /are attracted to.
Saying not sleeping with you as you're trans/ black etc, not so much.
As that would make you bigoted.

And her we get to the woke homophobia. I think you are homophobic by equating those two things, @NoNotMeNoSiree, and I'm happy to say so. I do hope you don't mind your views being challenged.

Yes someone making anonymous claims on the internet is not a trustworthy source.
Exactly, and the poster knows this and has pointed out stuff like this before so bit confused now, must just be being obtuse?

How have I equated them?!
Just for clarity, they are two separate things.
Not the same in any way.
Just because they're not the same though, doesn't mean both can't be bigoted.

Saying not sleeping with you as you're trans/ black etc, not so much.
As that would make you bigoted.*

So you don't actually believe it's possible to be exclusively same sex attracted, that's just bigotry? Nice.

Noakes claimed she was being sent bile and abuse just very recently in a Guardian article on her reforms to the GRA

"No she's not cancelled she's too big and successful to be cancelled but it's a good example of how the way a section of society who thinks their views are the right views will behave towards someone who doesn't toe their line."

And it happens to a huge number of people in the public eye, for many different reasons. You make out like its only people who hold certain views. Its mainly to do with the anonminity of the internet not the views people hold in the first place

@NoNotMeNoSiree

Ah OK, see where the homophobia reply came from. I referenced a racism situation and was expecting a reply to that. I did mention homophobia as well though, agreed

Should I just passively agree and not say anything when homophobes tell me I must sleep with cocks?
You're entitled to sleep with whoever you want /are attracted to.
Saying not sleeping with you as you're trans/ black etc, not so much.
As that would make you bigoted.

Bloody hell - are you really stating, publicly, that a lesbian not wanting to sleep with a person with a penis is bigoted?

Also, I've not actually expressed any view on here other than this would descend into an anti trans thread ( I was right).

Standing up for women's freedom of speech and belief and right to organise for sex-based rights as a discrete political class with our own needs and goals is not "anti trans" so no.

@Ereshkigalangcleg

Another attempt to misconstrue what someone has said?

Noakes claimed she was being sent bile and abuse just very recently in a Guardian article on her reforms to the GRA

"Bile and abuse" or death threats? Please link to the description of when GC feminists sent her death threats as you specifically claimed.

So you don't actually believe it's possible to be exclusively same sex attracted, that's just bigotry? Nice.
I actually said people are entitled to sleep with whoever they want /find whoever they want attractive.
Keep on twisting my words though.

"Standing up for women's freedom of speech and belief and right to organise for sex-based rights as a discrete political class with our own needs and goals is not "anti trans" confused so no."

Except I didn't say that it was, but MN often does have transphobic threads

@NoNotMeNoSiree

How have I equated them?! Just for clarity, they are two separate things. Not the same in any way. Just because they're not the same though, doesn't mean both can't be bigoted.

Right, so in fact you do think that lesbians are "bigoted" if they don't want to sleep with penises. Despite "not wanting to sleep with penises" being pretty much the definition of lesbian, and there being a long history of lesbians being told they should have sex with men because it's not a "real" sexuality.

Finally, we get an answer.

Yes, you do in fact believe in telling gay women they are bigoted if they don't sleep with who you think they should sleep with (men).

Could there not be a more direct definition of homophobia? Telling gay people that if they don't sleep with the opposite sex they are bigots?

And this, folks, is where we leave the woke tonight. Thank you, thanks for coming, good night ladies, good night sweet ladies, goodnight, goodnight.

Asking people about the things they say isn't cancel culture so I don't even know why it's coming up. There is a huge difference between seeing Germaine Greer speak at the university and asking what you think is an important question at the appropriate time, and shouting her down so she can't say anything or having her disinvited somehow.

Now, "calling people out" tends to have different connotations, I think because of the self-righteousness involved. Which is the thread behind a lot of annoying wokeness. I read an essay by Adolph Reed once where he talked about the weirdness of some white young person calling him out as a race essentialist, an academic studying race issues who grew up as a black kid in teh Jim Crow South. Basically because his opinions on things like BLM or rearations aren't "right".

What kind of blinding self-confidence does a person have to have to believe that someone who does not agree with them in every way about race, sex, gender, or sexuality must be a racist, homophobe, sexist, transphobe? Or even people who disagree with them in a fairly substantial way?

Hubris has never been an attractive or socially useful characteristic.

@NoNotMeNoSiree

It is funny to watch them squirm.

It really is.

@johnhuffam1812
Yep, seems that way, would expect nothing less from them though!

@foxgoosefinch

So see, whatever response was given to your loaded question you were going to come out with a post like the one above. Misrepreseting what has been said and then trying to use it as a strawman " So you're saying that" argument.

Intellectually its a bit of a fail isn't it?

I actually said people are entitled to sleep with whoever they want /find whoever they want attractive.
Keep on twisting my words though.

Funny, I think your words were perfectly clear when you said it was "bigoted" not to want to sleep with trans people in direct response to a specific question about whether a lesbian woman could be exclusively same sex attracted. No need to twist anything.

It looks like several other posters got that too.

Germaine Greer wasn't cancelled either.

Can people not oppose things now?