Why does 'wokeness' annoy people so much?

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Isn't it just trying to make the world a better place but making people feel accepted no matter their race, gender etc?

It seems to wind some people up so bad - and it's usually those that are part of a majority group that gets wound up most by it (usually white/men) - is it because they feel threatened?

Whenever anyone stands up for a cause they are automatically called woke - and it's now as if it's a bad thing.

It's sad, I see people fed up with 'wokeness' as code for 'we can't get away with our racist, sexist BS anymore as people are calling us out'.

@foxgoosefinch

The whole "she's rich so it's A-okay to tell lies about her and send her death threats" argument isn't the progressive gotcha that some people seem to think it is.

In fact, it does sound really quite like - well - exactly like - the hypocrisy of the virtue signalling faux-progressive set that we have been pointing out on this thread.

Not only they do not get irony, they also cannot hold together an argument without it unravelling faster than the speed of light.

"Not only they do not get irony, they also cannot hold together an argument without it unravelling faster than the speed of light."

And there we go, the strawman has been taken up by someone else and this will now be used to misrepresent the points previously made in full.

Its funny that many posters cited a lack of critical thinking as a flaw in the "woke"

No one has said death threats are OK
Exactly
Must be at the point of the '' debate'' where people just make any old shit up and hope it sticks because they presumably think people can't read, or can't be arsed to read the whole thread properly.

she's very vocal with her views

A few tweets and a short essay in response to the subsequent death threats is not being “very vocal”.

However, I would argue that posting porn on her threads inviting children to send pictures for the ickabog was a pretty clear attempt at getting her to shut up. Didn’t work though (thankfully).

To me, “woke” and “cancel culture” are both problematic terms because there is no clear definition. To me, “woke” is synonymous with “virtue signalling” which I really can’t stand. And “cancel culture” is the attempt to silence dissenting views which is a form of bullying and (imo) very bad for society as a whole.

The Tory MP who is seeking to change the GRA gets them all the time from those lovely feminists who are just seeking to protect the rights of women.

Bullshit she does.

Oh the death threats aren't being cancelled then? But we should still want to laugh about how we'd like to live in a shiny castle if that's what being cancelled is?

Either death threats are being cancelled or they aren't. Which one is it? Are they just an unfortunate side product of not being cancelled? If someone actually killed her, would she have been successfully cancelled then?

What about Kathleen Stock? Did she get cancelled or is she fine because none of the death threats have succeeded yet? I mean, she's white and middle class so I guess we could all sneer at how we'd like her life too.

I know of at least three middle aged female children's authors who have been pushed out of their jobs. Did they get cancelled or not, seeing as they might be white and middle aged and middle class, but they don't live in castles.

Where do you count a woman as being successfully cancelled then? What are the criteria? Or is it all just about how many people you get to agree with you on the internet to join in with sneering at the woman concerned?

@Ereshkigalangcleg

so when she talks about the abuse and threats she gets for it she's lying?

Point proven there eh?

cancel culture” is the attempt to silence dissenting views which is a form of bullying and (imo) very bad for society as a whole.
Sorry, but if you (not you personally, just in general) are going to air say racist or homophobic views, you're going to come across views that disagree, and challenge yours.
For example, I was with a close family member spouting racist shite a few days ago.
I love him but I can't just sit there and listen to his bollocks, I had to say something.
He probably felt silenced as felt the mood of his audience and wandered off, should we just have let him get on with it and not said anything, just passively agreed by not saying anything?
If speaking up makes me woke then good, I don't care.

@NoNotMeNoSiree

cancel culture” is the attempt to silence dissenting views which is a form of bullying and (imo) very bad for society as a whole. Sorry, but if you (not you personally, just in general) are going to air say racist or homophobic views, you're going to come across views that disagree, and challenge yours. For example, I was with a close family member spouting racist shite a few days ago. I love him but I can't just sit there and listen to his bollocks, I had to say something. He probably felt silenced as felt the mood of his audience and wandered off, should we just have let him get on with it and not said anything, just passively agreed by not saying anything? If speaking up makes me woke then good, I don't care.

Ah okay, so if a "woke" person tells me that lesbians should sleep with cocks or they're transphobic bigots, can I then call them out on their homophobic views?

Glad you agree.

so when she talks about the abuse and threats she gets for it she's lying?

Caroline Nokes is a particular combination of dimwitted, out of touch and sly. She's also a craven careerist. I'm sure, like Maria Miller who she is in the same mould as, she doesn't appreciate her grandiose virtue signalling being challenged. Let's see all these receipts of the death threats she received from GC feminist women.

Ah okay, so if a "woke" person tells me that lesbians should sleep with cocks or they're transphobic bigots, can I then call them out on their homophobic views?

Yes, funny how so many of the righteous suddenly forget what homophobia means then.

"Oh the death threats aren't being cancelled then? "

No they aren't. They are death threats. Very different.

Stock was supported by the University and a whole legion of colleagues and others. She didn't have to resign. I do like how you brought her colour and class into though, just to try to stir the pot some more.

"I know of at least three middle aged female children's authors who have been pushed out of their jobs."

Oh wow, an anecdote from an anonymous person on the internet, I really think this is a trustworthy source of evidence.

"Where do you count a woman as being successfully cancelled then? What are the criteria? Or is it all just about how many people you get to agree with you on the internet to join in with sneering at the woman concerned?"

Oh so now you are forming the argument just to be about women? Not about cancel culture in general? Is there a reason why you have tried to take this focus?

"Caroline Nokes is a particular combination of dimwitted, out of touch and sly. She's also a craven careerist"

Oh right, so we should give 100% support to other women who claim they've been threatened. Just not this one because she doesn't agree with you.

You really aren't doing well here.

@Ereshkigalangcleg

Ah okay, so if a "woke" person tells me that lesbians should sleep with cocks or they're transphobic bigots, can I then call them out on their homophobic views?

Yes, funny how so many of the righteous suddenly forget what homophobia means then.

Yep. They don't like it much either when women call out the outdated sexist old bollocks that is believing that putting on some stockings and heels is being a woman.

Or that shilling for pimps and johns, brothel owners, porn sites and the male investors who rake in the cash from OnlyFans is not the progressive fight they claim it is.

foxfinchfox

That's nothing to do with what I actually said though.
How about actually engaging with what I actually said instead of saying '' glad you agree '' to something that's presumably an argument you've made up in your own head and attributed to me?!
Your post and others are interesting though, as it shows that the people who have a problem with wokeness seems to be those who have a problematic view towards others and don't want to be challenged themselves.
Call a spade a spade lot.
Say it like it is.
What, why can't I say what I like about people anymore?!

"Yep. They don't like it much either when women call out the outdated sexist old bollocks that is believing that putting on some stockings and heels is being a woman."

Ding, we have a winner.

@JohnHuffam1812

"Oh the death threats aren't being cancelled then? "

No they aren't. They are death threats. Very different.

Stock was supported by the University and a whole legion of colleagues and others. She didn't have to resign. I do like how you brought her colour and class into though, just to try to stir the pot some more.

"I know of at least three middle aged female children's authors who have been pushed out of their jobs."

Oh wow, an anecdote from an anonymous person on the internet, I really think this is a trustworthy source of evidence.

"Where do you count a woman as being successfully cancelled then? What are the criteria? Or is it all just about how many people you get to agree with you on the internet to join in with sneering at the woman concerned?"

Oh so now you are forming the argument just to be about women? Not about cancel culture in general? Is there a reason why you have tried to take this focus?

Oh so now you are forming the argument just to be about women? Not about cancel culture in general? Is there a reason why you have tried to take this focus?

Are you too dimwitted to notice that most "cancel culture" largely seeks to control and put down women? Or is there another reason you can think of why the people who get "cancelled" are usually women?

Is it just because all those white men in charge are so progressive, anti-racist, pro-equality, and so forward thinking compared to the nasty old bigoted Karens?

It's destroying universities, it's destroying comedy and the arts, it makes for really shit tv, it's destroying publishing and literature. It produces and encourages bad history, as Adolph Reed demonstrates. It justifies denying people entry to places like Harvard on the basis of their race and calls it progress.

It also masks real problems and working towards solutions in favour of things like getting people who have been dead for 500 years pardoned or their statues taken down.

And all this is done with such a smug self-righteousness devoid of even a sliver of self-knowledge that it can hardly be anything other than annoying and maddening.

"Are you too dimwitted to notice that most "cancel culture" largely seeks to control and put down women?"

No it doesn't. It gets invoked by men and women and many men have claimed they have been the victims of it.

Not about cancel culture in general
Yes, we seem to have shifted.
It's not a discussion about being woke anymore, it's taking the usual predictable route all these threads end up taking.
Even when I post about racism, I end up being quoted but going on about trans/ women's issues instead.
It's a one track circular discussion.

"It's destroying universities, it's destroying comedy and the arts, it makes for really shit tv, it's destroying publishing and literature. It produces and encourages bad history, as Adolph Reed demonstrates. It justifies denying people entry to places like Harvard on the basis of their race and calls it progress."

Really? Give me an example of how peope are being denied entry to places like Harvard.

It isn't destroying universities, or TV or anything else.

You can be a victim of cancel culture without someone completely destroying you financially and professionally. For example I'd say Woody Allen was cancelled but he's a wealthy man so had the means and connections to finance more films.

Somebody asked for an example that happened this year. Artist Jess de Wahls had her products removed from the Royal Academy gift shop after 8 (!) complaints about transphobia.

The feminism forum readers will undoubtedly have more but have you not heard about several female uni lecturers being pressured to quit because students find gender critical point of view hateful ? These are supposed to be the brightest students but they can't sit down and discuss a topic ?

I do like how you brought her colour and class into though, just to try to stir the pot some more.

Isn't that the entire point that you are making? That it's okay for the self-styled "woke" to sneer at women, condone death threats and say they aren't cancelled if they are female, rich or middle class or lesbian? That they aren't being cancelled if those apply? The just below you then complain that I'm making it all about women. That's the entire point!

The children's authors' names are very well known. You can find them out easily. "Educate yourself" as your lot like to say.

You seem to be extremely hard of thinking. I'm very bored with you now.

@JohnHuffam1812

"Trying to rename a game she created so it doesn't involve her is an effort to cancel"

Except for the fact that the main problem with the name is the copyright.

It isn't cancelling her, she still publishes, still is on twitter, her books are still on sale etc.

So your example doesn't count.

Try again?

Thankfully, she’s one smart cookie with regards to the rights around the works she’s created.

But you can bet your bottom dollar that there are people who will continue to try whatever they can to cancel her. Legally, she can’t be cancelled re her works. But don’t try to gloss over the fact that she has been subjected to a vile campaign of hate.

Or are you ok with women receiving threats of rape and death? Is that all acceptable because, you know, her books are still for sale.

Your type of argument is one of the worst - highlight what the person has, ignore what has been directed towards them.

@NoNotMeNoSiree

Which I predicted about 10 pages back.

Its hilarious.