Why does 'wokeness' annoy people so much?

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Isn't it just trying to make the world a better place but making people feel accepted no matter their race, gender etc?

It seems to wind some people up so bad - and it's usually those that are part of a majority group that gets wound up most by it (usually white/men) - is it because they feel threatened?

Whenever anyone stands up for a cause they are automatically called woke - and it's now as if it's a bad thing.

It's sad, I see people fed up with 'wokeness' as code for 'we can't get away with our racist, sexist BS anymore as people are calling us out'.

@titchy

I asked for an example of someone who has been cancelled. JK Rowling hasn't been.

She has faced fierce criticism online, but that isn't cancelling either.

So from your description cancel culture could just be any criticism of anyone for anything.

So from your description cancel culture could just be any criticism of anyone for anything.

Did you miss the attempt to exclude?

Perhaps you could describe what you mean by cancel culture ?

[quote JohnHuffam1812]@titchy

I asked for an example of someone who has been cancelled. JK Rowling hasn't been.

She has faced fierce criticism online, but that isn't cancelling either.

So from your description cancel culture could just be any criticism of anyone for anything.[/quote]
OMG 😱 talk about splitting hairs and twisting everything anyone writes so that your argument looks logical (clue: it’s not)

@dworky

Because it's become a refuge for the most nasty, intolerant bullies who have no real compassion for anyone other than themselves.

Absolutely.

These people are the same type that hundreds of years ago would have been finger pointing shouting "heretic" and gleefully watching them burn at the stake.

It's the new religion.

"Did you miss the attempt to exclude?"

Did you miss that people criticising someone isn't an attempt to exclude?

@JohnHuffam1812

"Do you think getting history off the streets and into books is a good thing?"

Yes because people looked at the statue of Colston and immediately googled him, and then researched why his statue was controversial.

Its utter stupidity to claim that we need to keep statues to stop history being eroded.

IT's not enough to be in history books. It should be in educational curriculums as well. They don't teach much about the real story of british slavery, colonialism and empire in schools these days, from what I gather. At least they never did in my day, and definitely not to the detail they do about other subjects, such as the holocaust. That's why people get shocked when they find out about some unpalatable parts of their country's history. They don't want to know the truth because it doesn't present a 'flattering' view of their ancestors. But a proper education which doesn't gloss over the details but puts things in its proper historical context will help people come to terms with it and move on, much like Germany did with the nazis.

Cancel culture is the whole chilling effect.

Here’s the reason put another way - woke people rarely do anything. By design they are virtue signallers while others do the heavy lifting.
Let’s take climate change for instance. Celebrities flying first class to join climate protests. Movie stars flying on private jets to turn up to award ceremonies to lecture people on the climate in their acceptance speeches. ‘Climate activist’ blocking people from going about their daily business but drive diesel cars themselves and don’t insulate their own homes. All the while entrepreneurs and scientists are doing the work that counts, like hydrogen fuel, making renewables cheaper etc. And no they absolutely do need middle class activist hobbyists to further their work.
Another one - organizations, political parties and individuals who bang on most about diversity tend to be the least diverse and most structurally unequal, even incompetent. Take the Labour Party for example. But then again, since they don’t know what a woman is, they would struggle to have a female leader.

@JohnHuffam1812

"Did you miss the attempt to exclude?"

Did you miss that people criticising someone isn't an attempt to exclude?

Excluded from HP anniversary events. And don't repeat your earlier line that you don't even know she was invited. Just think about whether you really think she was just randomly not invited - the woman who earned them £££££.

It's a pity your views are so entrenched - I happen to think you've got a good point about statues, but it gets lost when you spout utter garbage with no critical analysis or awareness.

I assume you think JKR is transphobic? Would you like to point out the exact words she said that gave you this view?

Effect of what?
Not sure what that was in relation to?

Fast moving thread, that was to erishs post

They don't teach much about the real story of british slavery, colonialism and empire in schools these days, from what I gather.

When I was in school and would come home and talk about what I'd learnt r.e. slavery / Britain's role my parents would both look at me as though I'd grown two heads and was turning into a lizard. Even my white parent raised an eyebrow. Not because we were being taught lies wholesale but because Britain's role was looked at as being some kind of benevolent force. My parents taught me a long time ago about white supremacy and it was later what I wrote my dissertation on - when discussing it with some white friends they were like , but that's the power of white supremacy.

It is good to challenge things and to try and make the world a fairer place. I applaud that. But in practice, there is often a very superficial understanding of racism, misogyny, etc and of history to challenge those.
I do get weary of young people on social media lecturing me wrongly about events I lived through or activism I was involved in.
I also get tired of being told that all old people have had an easy life based on the life of white middle class men who are able bodied.

@JohnHuffam1812

"All you're going to get in response is... but, but,but....!!!"

That wasn;t my response.

She's still not cancelled.

JK Rowling was shown at the renunion show in archival footage too. Surely cancelling someone would be removing their involment altogether.

Oh dear, that one didn't stand scrutiny either.

Not having the person who created the Potter "universe" at the reunion was a very significant omission.

Appearing "in footage" doesn't cut it as remediation.

You seem to view cancellation in very absolute terms.

Being a person who is the subject of a cancel movement can have very significant implications even when it's not total erasure.

Just because JKR hasn't been erased from her own legacy doesn't mean many people have tried to do so and that has come at a personal and wider social cost.

Dave Chappelle faced a massive backlash and walkouts at Netflix, who ultimately stood by him.

But he has also talked about the impact on his career cancel culture has had in trying to get projects green lighted.

However these are two very successful and high profile people.

The fact they may have weathered the storm so to speak doesn't mean how they were treated is irrelevant.

It absolutely does make people who have less support/resources afraid to speak out - which is the point.

In "failing" to fully cancel artists such as this there has still been an impact in silencing and thus cancelling many others.

@VladmirsPoutine I am in my late fifties and was taught about Atlantic slave trade at school. The 1970s was the time of truly left-wing teachers in some schools teaching about things that current kids are not taught. I also learned at school that the British had the first concentration camps during the Boer war.

"Excluded from HP anniversary events."

She wasn't there but you have no evidence she was excluded, she was shown on the special in archieve footage.

So she was shown, she wasn't there but there is no evidence she wasn't invited.

She hasn't been cancelled.

@JohnHuffam1812

"Excluded from HP anniversary events."

She wasn't there but you have no evidence she was excluded, she was shown on the special in archieve footage.

So she was shown, she wasn't there but there is no evidence she wasn't invited.

She hasn't been cancelled.

Oh dear. Just admitting that you got this one wrong, or not saying anything else to defend your ridiculous assertion would be so much less painful.

@GoatInCaptivity

So Canceling someone is merely criticising them, or a business withdrawing support from them because their views aren't in line with the views of the corporation?

Chapelle was never cancelled. He's performing on NYE.

It appears not to have stopped lots of people from agreeing or criticising them.

Cancel culture is often thrown around by certain groups when they get criticised in order to deflect the critique of what they are saying.

@sst1234

Yet no evidence for her not being invited has been provided.

Its a bit weak to say that this person has been cancelled and then offer speculation as evidence.

Being cancelled was Dave Chapelle's intention. It wasn't an adverse incident which nearly destroyed his career. Quite the opposite.

@VladmirsPoutine

I agree. Chapelle is actually a lot more funny than he was in that last show, the idea seemed to be to create as much controversy as possible.

@JohnHuffam1812

"Did you miss the attempt to exclude?"

Did you miss that people criticising someone isn't an attempt to exclude?

You appear to have missed the recent attempt by the Quidditch sport to change their name in order to dissociate themselves from JK Rowling:

More importantly, distancing ourselves from J.K Rowling will cement the sport and community as the inclusive space it already is. Since our inception the inclusion of all persons, regardless of race, sex, gender identity, or background has been a cornerstone of our sport.

We cannot continue to call ourselves quidditch and be associated with J.K Rowling while she continues to make damaging and hateful comments against the many transgender athletes, staff, and volunteers who call this sporting community home.

Whatever your opinion on what has been dubbed elsewhere as "Sad Knobs On Broomsticks" , this is a sport that JKR invented for her books. They're happy to malign her with lies and to steal the creation that she imagined and the terms she invented.

"happy to malign her with lies and to steal the creation that she imagined and the terms she invented."

But its not cancelling her.

Did you also read the part about the trademarking and how WB own the name and this prevents them from marketing and growing the "sport" further?