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AIBU?

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to feel weird about my neighbour's comments about my son?

425 replies

pizzaallday · 18/12/2021 10:45

Hello,

I have a 16 month old and our neighbours are a married couple in their fifties.

They have three children, 26,28 and 32 and no grandchildren yet.

Ever since my son arrived, they have been doting over him.

Inviting him over, giving him food, playing with him.

We never leave him alone with them, either one of us or both of us is with him when he's invited over.

On the one hand I have absolutely no problem with them being so close to my son. The husband suffers from depression and doesn't work anymore and the wife has to work two jobs. They don't have it easy so I can understand how a toddler can bring light and joy to someone's life.

Let's call this couple Mr and Mrs Smith and my son is called Josh (names changed).

There are just some comments Mr Smith makes occasionally that I find cringeworthy.

For example:

  • He said when he was playing with him: "Oh Josh, I want to go to bed with you"
  • They knocked on our door in the evening and he said "Josh, I want to spend all night with you"
  • Last time we were at their house Mr Smith was playing with Josh. He then made a sawing motion at his ear and said: "I want to cut off your ear and make bacon off it".
  • The other day my husband left the house in the evening, because he had to go somewhere. Mr Smith was outside his house and he asked my husband: "Are you going to pick up Josh? (we send him to a childminder)" "I will come with you!"
  • Usually I pick him up from the childminder in the evening. When I arrive back home, Mr Smith usually sits in his car, because he has to pick up his wife from work. When he sees Josh, he either pulls his window down to shout his name or comes out to interact with him
  • Mr Smith has an alcohol problem as well. He drinks every evening, usually whiskey. In summer, when it was still warm at night, we often sat in our living room and heard Mr Smith singing in in the garden. It was obvious he was drunk and he was singing my son's name 😳 That has stopped now, either because it's too cold outside or perhaps because his wife asked him to drink less.

His wife always is very embarrassed when her husband makes those comments to my son and says "He doesn't mean it".

I know the comments are made in a certain context and I don't think Mr Smith is a pedophile.

Still, they give me a bad feeling and I feel like he is crossing boundaries he shouldn't.

It's very hard for me to know whether I am being unreasonable or not.

On the one hand they are a lovely couple with lovely children and are nice neighbours that we get on well with.

On the other hand his comments give me the creeps.

AIBU to feel this way?

OP posts:
PinkSyCo · 18/12/2021 16:08

Oh this is such a weird one. Even if your neighbours intentions are innocent he MUST know his comments are inappropriate and you need to pull him up on them and ask what he means by them, because at the moment it is very easy to keep your DS safe, but as he gets older it will be much harder to do so, especially as he will grow up believing that your neighbour is a safe family friend.

Squeezita · 18/12/2021 16:16

@GrannytoaUnicorn

I'd be careful what you tell your key worker. If your child already has a key worker then there are obviously already concerns about your child's well-being

MrsRussell ‘s son doesn’t have a key worker, her alcoholic MOTHER has a key worker.

Theywalkamongstus · 18/12/2021 16:18

@Justheretoaskaquestion91

I don’t understand the house worth comment *@NameChangeCity123*
It just means she should put her house on the market and move.
youvegottenminuteslynn · 18/12/2021 16:19

@GrannytoaUnicorn

She's talking about her mother's key worker.

And children can have key workers for many reasons. No reason would make it a good idea, or morally right, to lie to them or omit important safeguarding information. Your advice is irresponsible.

Theywalkamongstus · 18/12/2021 16:19

It's in no way a grey area at all. It's very much black and white.

youvegottenminuteslynn · 18/12/2021 16:21

OP how is it a grey area?

The comments are inappropriate, make you uncomfortable and present a potential safeguarding risk.

If they moved away and had the choice, you wouldn't ever see them again because their behaviour is strange, unsettling and inappropriate.

You need to not let fear of short term awkwardness overcome the fact you wouldn't choose to spend time with them and your son voluntarily.

I imagine you would say 'I wouldn't facilitate a relationship with between them and DS if I didn't have to'. But you don't have to.

So stop. Better to be awkward than wish you had been.

CheshireCats · 18/12/2021 16:22

There's nothing grey about the situation. It's bright red with alarm bells ringing.

Wimblingwombling · 18/12/2021 16:25

Trust your instinct and distance yourself

Nellesbelles · 18/12/2021 16:32

I think people are often reluctant to see that someone might have inappropriate intentions with children but his comments are very inappropriate. If someone said then about my child I wouldn't let them around them. As your DC gets older do you really want him to think that behaviour is okay because to me that's the message it sends.

LosingTheWill2 · 18/12/2021 16:34

I wouldn’t be letting my child spend anymore time with them, and be prepared with replies such as “that’s inappropriate, he’s only a baby” or “why would you say that to a baby”.

PurplePansy05 · 18/12/2021 16:34

We can't move house that easily, we're on a 5 year fixed interest mortgage.

OP, so am I. Not a small mortgage and my son is a year younger than yours. We're not exactly in the best financial position we've ever been right now because the expenses are super high. Would I take a hit and move instead of living next to a potential child abuser? Without a doubt. My son is more important than my early repayment charge. You can also potentially port it, btw.

I also said to my husband to never allow him to come along to pick him up from the childminder.

You need to inform the childminder too.

At the moment my son thinks "Mr Smith" is hilarious, because he makes funny animal sounds when he sees him.

This is already a problem. Can't you see it?

When he's older and he understands the comments though he will feel very uncomfortable.

You already have a problem, you don't need to wait for your son to become older. And why on earth would you say this instead of removing him and yourselves from this situation now and not waiting for something awful to happen? It's a very odd comment from you. Your child is already at risk and you might not be able to prot him as well as you seem to think.

And I think making someone feel uncomfortable in that way is a violation, no matter what the intention behind it is.

Don't wait for your child to feel uncomfortable. You're his parent, you're uncomfortable about this, do the right thing for your son. It's not a grey area. It's black & white.

crj123 · 18/12/2021 16:35

When I was a child a neighbour repeatedly told me and a friend how much he wanted to 'lock us in his attic" and spend "special time" with us. My parents thought it was ok. It was 40 years ago and it still creeps me out. Not major abuse obviously but these things do live rent free in your head. I'm sorry for the guy's issues but they aren't yours - or your son's.

PrincessNutella · 18/12/2021 16:36

This is 2021. Everyone knows what "I want to go to bed with you," means. Your neighbor has not dropped in from another world where those words have some kind of totally innocent meaning. He is choosing to say them out loud for a reason. What is that reason? That's what you have to think about. I think there is a form of aggression in it. By saying those words, he is forcing YOU to do the mental work of trying to decide if he is serious or not. He is trying to make you deny that he is stating his desire, even though he has directly stated his desire out loud. In other words, he is gaslighting you.

1FootInTheRave · 18/12/2021 16:42

Creepy and weird.

And there actually is a peado on every corner. Probably more, they just haven't been caught.

Budapestdreams · 18/12/2021 16:46

It's not a "grey" area OP.

It's black and white.

Don't take risks with your child and hope it's ok.

Do everything you can to protect your son.

Part of you still thinks you're overreacting. You're not.

Newnameobviously · 18/12/2021 16:47

I'm a retired counsellor. This brings to mind a client of mine - a neighbour of hers befriended the whole family when the client was a newborn. He helped her mum out with practical matters, took great care of her and her older brother and sister, babysat them for years and everything was aboveboard. He was playing the long game and it wasn't until my client was 7 or 8 the abuse began. By then it was so much part of their family history that she was his little sweetheart that got his special attention that no one noticed anything wrong.

He is in prison now. Thank God.

britneyisfree · 18/12/2021 16:48

You're being a bit silly now. Try harder to protect your son. Good luck.

Thesearmsofmine · 18/12/2021 16:48

Very weird and if you can’t move right now I would be be massively distancing myself from them.

2bazookas · 18/12/2021 16:50

If you really like them and want to keep socialising with them I think you need to have a zero tolerance approach to comments like that. Intervene every time. He can do it once more and you challenge him. If he does it twice remind him that it's inappropriate and open to misinterpretation. Three strikes and I'd leave and never go back.

Please don't do this.
Groomers are highly skilled manipulators and would just respond with whatever reassures you/ allays suspicion. So instead of making Josh safer, he would be even more at risk.

Mr ND has ALREADY gone much too far. His wife recognises it and tries to cover up. He's out of control and she knows it.

Break all contact; feel free to tell her why.

"Because " he doesn't mean it" cuts no ice. You know its horrible to talk that way to a child but you haven't stopped it. Since you and your husband can't control his behaviour neither of you will be meeting Josh again.".

pickingdaisies · 18/12/2021 16:55

@Newnameobviously

I'm a retired counsellor. This brings to mind a client of mine - a neighbour of hers befriended the whole family when the client was a newborn. He helped her mum out with practical matters, took great care of her and her older brother and sister, babysat them for years and everything was aboveboard. He was playing the long game and it wasn't until my client was 7 or 8 the abuse began. By then it was so much part of their family history that she was his little sweetheart that got his special attention that no one noticed anything wrong.

He is in prison now. Thank God.

This. He's grooming you, your DH and your son to accept him as weird but harmless. You are blurring your own boundaries, and your son will grow up not knowing how to react if an adult gradually or suddenly becomes inappropriate. You need to start reacting to inappropriate comments from him. You need to start backing him out of your lives. God, he's 50 he's not a frail old man.
Wpeoruahryclabegtt · 18/12/2021 17:05

@pizzaallday

I am taking this seriously, that's why I came on here to ask for advice.

I love my son and don't want any harm to happen to him.

Like I said, it's very much a "grey situation". I said to my husband: "Do we make excuses for a man we feel a bit sorry for without realising we're being groomed?"

My husband agrees with me and I also spoke to my mother about it and she also agrees that we have to be very careful.

She said that his comments are beyond weird and if she heard someone saying those things she would think this person had lost their marbles.

I am trying to distance myself from themselves as much as possible and not let my son have any relationship with them.

At the moment my son thinks "Mr Smith" is hilarious, because he makes funny animal sounds when he sees him.

When he's older and he understands the comments though he will feel very uncomfortable.

And I think making someone feel uncomfortable in that way is a violation, no matter what the intention behind it is.

This is so sad your son already thinks so well of him. :( And you see why abuse happens.
Kirstos1 · 18/12/2021 17:12

I think you sound a lot like me - a people pleaser (I'm working on it!) Who doesn't like to make a fuss. You don't have to make a big thing of it, just distance yourselves completely. If you are outside and your neighbour starts with the animal noises, pointedly say 'come on Josh, in we go' and just go inside. If they invite josh for food or whatever just say 'no thank you'. You don't need to explain yourself.

If someone said something like the bed comment to my child and my OH heard it or found out, it wouldn't end well for the neighbour. Listen to that voice in your gut, it's far more important than the one in your head telling you you are over reacting or need to play good neighbours. Absolutely tell the childminder she is not to let anyone else collect josh too.

MeredithGreyishblue · 18/12/2021 17:18

The only possible way this isn't sinister is if his English isn't strong.

Otherwise, he's a monster. Really.

YanTanTetheraPetheraPimp · 18/12/2021 17:19

If you won’t tell this creepy individual to bugger off why isn’t your DH? Or does he think it’s harmless too?

CPL593H · 18/12/2021 17:24

@GrannytoaUnicorn I think she means her mother's keyworker? OP has a son but refers to "her".

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