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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

to feel weird about my neighbour's comments about my son?

425 replies

pizzaallday · 18/12/2021 10:45

Hello,

I have a 16 month old and our neighbours are a married couple in their fifties.

They have three children, 26,28 and 32 and no grandchildren yet.

Ever since my son arrived, they have been doting over him.

Inviting him over, giving him food, playing with him.

We never leave him alone with them, either one of us or both of us is with him when he's invited over.

On the one hand I have absolutely no problem with them being so close to my son. The husband suffers from depression and doesn't work anymore and the wife has to work two jobs. They don't have it easy so I can understand how a toddler can bring light and joy to someone's life.

Let's call this couple Mr and Mrs Smith and my son is called Josh (names changed).

There are just some comments Mr Smith makes occasionally that I find cringeworthy.

For example:

  • He said when he was playing with him: "Oh Josh, I want to go to bed with you"
  • They knocked on our door in the evening and he said "Josh, I want to spend all night with you"
  • Last time we were at their house Mr Smith was playing with Josh. He then made a sawing motion at his ear and said: "I want to cut off your ear and make bacon off it".
  • The other day my husband left the house in the evening, because he had to go somewhere. Mr Smith was outside his house and he asked my husband: "Are you going to pick up Josh? (we send him to a childminder)" "I will come with you!"
  • Usually I pick him up from the childminder in the evening. When I arrive back home, Mr Smith usually sits in his car, because he has to pick up his wife from work. When he sees Josh, he either pulls his window down to shout his name or comes out to interact with him
  • Mr Smith has an alcohol problem as well. He drinks every evening, usually whiskey. In summer, when it was still warm at night, we often sat in our living room and heard Mr Smith singing in in the garden. It was obvious he was drunk and he was singing my son's name 😳 That has stopped now, either because it's too cold outside or perhaps because his wife asked him to drink less.

His wife always is very embarrassed when her husband makes those comments to my son and says "He doesn't mean it".

I know the comments are made in a certain context and I don't think Mr Smith is a pedophile.

Still, they give me a bad feeling and I feel like he is crossing boundaries he shouldn't.

It's very hard for me to know whether I am being unreasonable or not.

On the one hand they are a lovely couple with lovely children and are nice neighbours that we get on well with.

On the other hand his comments give me the creeps.

AIBU to feel this way?

OP posts:
Pallisers · 18/12/2021 19:26

Josh is in no immediate danger as we would never leave him alone with the neighbours.

My sibling and I were abused by a neighbour/friend of my parents while my mother was in the room. He seemed like a harmless old man.

1concernedmummy · 18/12/2021 19:41

That's really weird. But I'd agree that your son is not in any danger as you would never leave him unattended.

Honestly, I think some of the responses are a bit hysterical. Paedophiles are all around and lots of them appear completely normal or even charming, anyone who thinks they can move away from them is being niave.

That poor woman, married to that man

youvegottenminuteslynn · 18/12/2021 19:51

@1concernedmummy

That's really weird. But I'd agree that your son is not in any danger as you would never leave him unattended.

Honestly, I think some of the responses are a bit hysterical. Paedophiles are all around and lots of them appear completely normal or even charming, anyone who thinks they can move away from them is being niave.

That poor woman, married to that man

Her son is being taught that this man (and others who act the way he does) is a safe adult that his parents trust. He won't understand that this man is someone his parents would never intentionally leave him alone with. So if he was, for arguments sake, to say oh your mum said I should walk you home / your mum said you can come play in our garden OR this is our secret etc - her son will respond to all scenarios based on the idea that this is an adult who is safe and trusted by his parents.

He's in reality an alcoholic who makes incredibly inappropriate remarks even when the parents are present. At best. That's best case scenario.

PurplePansy05 · 18/12/2021 19:51

No one said there are no paedophiles elsewhere. The point is there is a situation of immediate concern here and now and a man suspiciously interested in OP's child living next door. It's an obvious choice to move elsewhere and learn a lesson from this experience not to repeat the same mistakes with anyone else in the future, be it a neighbour or any other adult in contact with her son.

SusieBob · 18/12/2021 20:17

I'm sorry, but if anyone ever said "Oh xx, I want to go to bed with you" to my child there is no fucking way I'd be allowing that person anywhere near them ever again.

That's not so much a red flag as a massive emergency klaxxon.

RevolvingPivot · 18/12/2021 20:29

Op you still don't seem to understand what people are saying.

FictionalCharacter · 18/12/2021 20:36

@pizzaallday
“ Like I said, it's very much a "grey situation". I said to my husband: "Do we make excuses for a man we feel a bit sorry for without realising we're being groomed?"”
NO IT IS NOT A GREY SITUATION! And stop feeling sorry for him! You’re still not quite getting it. Please read the replies again, please.

Momijin · 18/12/2021 20:42

OP, the man isn't even hiding it. He's telling you clearly. Ffs

Meatshake · 18/12/2021 20:50

I'd stop going over there and if they asked why I'd tell them straight "Mr Smith made some remarks that didn't make me feel safe having my son in his company". I'll temper that by saying that having been the child victim of a "benign alcoholic, charming and eccentric" old man my tolerance for any sort of "I was just drunk" bullshit around kids is exceedingly low.

Age 2-3 is the most risky age for kids to begin to be targeted, by the way. And white, middle class males age 37-50 are the most prolific consumers of child abuse images on the internet according to the met.

Meatshake · 18/12/2021 20:51

Oh, and as for not being unattended, abuse can happen in the same room as a parent. Trust me on that. Predators are sneaky opportunists.

MrsSantaClausitback · 18/12/2021 21:00

This really doesn’t sit well with me.
It won’t be long before your son starts understanding what he’s saying. It’s more than weird. I’d cut all ties!

Chachasha · 18/12/2021 21:01

Your son could be in immediate danger at any moment frankly

ChiefWiggumsBoy · 18/12/2021 21:07

He sounds fucking weird and I would not like this at all.

Sounds like he’s groomed his wife to feel like she has to work two jobs so he can retire early and is now grooming you to be comfortable having your son spend time with him alone when he’s older.

PS you can port your mortgage rate to another property and therefore do not have to pay early repayment charges. Talk to your lender.

PeriodHacker · 18/12/2021 21:16

Did 'I want to go to bed with you' mean 'I want to spend so much time with you I wish you could stay here' kind of thing? Still completely inappropriate but I'm just trying to dissect that particular odd comment.

OnwardsEverStridingOnwards · 18/12/2021 22:07

@PeriodHacker we all know what he's trying to say.... he's inappropriately interested in the child.

Geppili · 18/12/2021 22:08

'I want to go to bed with you': primary meaning is I want to have sex with you. This nonce wasn't meaning he wanted a sleepover and to spend lots of time with him. It is a completely inappropriate thing to say to any minor. He is obsessed with the poor child and cannot contain his delight at having duped his wife and adult neighbours, who all think he is an avuncular harmless drunk.

FingersXssd83 · 18/12/2021 22:23

Dirty noncing bastard and a fuckwit wife.

Move the hell away and report!

Lokdok · 18/12/2021 22:32

Why are you sure he’s not a child molester? That’s exactly how they behave.

GiantWaterBottle · 18/12/2021 22:44

Reading this thread has made me feel all queasy and sick with a sort of anxiety feeling.
OP please, please cut contact and move. He has all the signs of a paedophile.

HunterGatherer · 18/12/2021 22:44

Oh FFS, I've heard it all now.
"Grey situation"
Like Hell it is.
He is testing the water with his comments and you pair of wet lettuces are telling him that he has nothing to fear from you.
Oh and I've got plenty of experience of paedophiles, I used to work in a prison, some of them come across as really nice on the surface.

FTEngineerM · 18/12/2021 22:50

I’ve found many a toddler cute and never once have I thought I wanted to go to bed with them.. that’s a weird as fuck thing to say

Lokdok · 18/12/2021 22:54

I just want to add that I unfortunately have experience of a paedophile and he was so so keen to babysit and look after the child, lots of fussing of them and touching their hair, making comments about their beauty, but nothing that would ring alarm bells as inappropriate. You need to trust that instinct, seriously, it’s up to you to protect your child.

ScoobyDoes · 18/12/2021 22:59

@LonginesPrime

At the moment my son thinks "Mr Smith" is hilarious, because he makes funny animal sounds when he sees him.

When he's older and he understands the comments though he will feel very uncomfortable.

Your DS shouldn't need to wait until he's old enough to appreciate that this man's behaviour is inappropriate - it's your job as his parent to shut this stuff down, not be led by a 16 month old because he's currently fine with it.

You are complicit in this man's potential grooming of your son by smiling and not wanting to offend him when he says inappropriate things - your acceptance of this behaviour is teaching your son that it is acceptable behaviour.

What if some other adult he comes into contact with (at the childminders' or a relative's or an event) speaks to your son like that? He will think it's normal to have old men wanting to go to bed with him as you're standing there smiling like it's fine.

He won't develop protective instincts to deal with all those odd creepy encounters as you're ignoring your own protective instincts through social awkwardness and pity.

And it's not good enough to say "he'll never be left alone with them" as it's not about this one man - it's about your son learning about boundaries and inappropriate behaviour so he can protect himself in those inevitable situations he'll encounter when your back is turned for whatever reason.

Also, his accompanying you to the childminder is a shrewd way of signalling to the childminder that you trust him, so that when he starts running into the childminder at the park or the shops, the childminder could mistake him for a trusted family friend.

OP Please read and digest this FFS ^^^
Cherryana · 18/12/2021 23:57

When someone tells you who they are - believe them.

OnwardsEverStridingOnwards · 19/12/2021 00:08

@pizzaallday of course your son is going to be 'fine with it!' He's a child who doesn't understand.