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Am I the bad person for telling my family 'no'?

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Nickwinkle · 15/12/2021 14:46

Hi All... having a moral dilemma here and I feel awful but at the same time all I can think is 'why should I?'

Some background in to what's gone on;
My dad is currently in hospital with Paraneoplastic Cerebral Degeneration as a result of T Cell Lymphoma. He's extremely unwell and is incapable of performing basic human functions, such as speaking, eating, seeing, etc. He's currently having chemotherapy to try and reduce the severity of the cancer, which we've been told is untreatable. He's been this way for over 2 months now and, due to the rarity of the disease, we've no idea how things are going to turn out. Initially I took three weeks sick off work to help my mum at home and make sure I was at the hospital every day to help care for him. Once the three weeks were up, financially I had to return to work but managed to get them to agree to home working so I could continue to support my parents. I'm one of three children, my brother is disabled and my sister is married with two kids. I'm childless through no decision of my own, but I live with my partner and have two house cats (who are very dependent on me). This pretty much leaves only my sister and myself who can help my mum out (small family). I am based in Manchester, my sister in Leeds, my mum in Doncaster and my dad is currently in Sheffield. My sister is constantly using the fact she has two children as an excuse to not help, despite living with her husband who is the father of said kids, and my mum is happy to allow these excuses.

Me and my partner had our first round of fertility treatment this last month and through the 'important' week where we needed to be together, I still made sure I was there for my parents every day and drove from mine, to my mums, to my dad (6hr round trip) every single day. Of course, this led to stress and exhaustion which resulted in a failed fertility attempt. As horrible as it was after TTC for 6 years, I put this to the back of my mind and refuse to grieve over it until my dad is OK (or, y'know). My partner and I have made the decision to put any further treatment on hold until the situation changes. Heartbreaking, but I've put my family first. I told my mum about the failed treatment and her response was 'Okay'. My sister responded 'We didn't think it would work first round anyway'. But whatever.

My dad's business is closer to my sister than my parents house so it's been agreed that during the latter half of the week (Wed-Sat), when she's working there, that she will stay with my sister and I will go and live at my mums to look after her dogs, my brother, the house and my dad. All the while carrying out my own job and putting extra stress on my partner as he's now having to maintain our home and pets on his own. We're happy to do it though as it helps my parents and that's my main priority.

A Sunday is pretty much the only day I have to 'get things sorted' at the moment. Things like needing clean clothes, a shower (because even that's hard to find time for now!), and making sure my partner is OK because this is putting a lot of pressure on us and we want to make sure we're able to support each other too. We'd agreed that Sunday (12/12) would be our day to get our Christmas tree, put our decorations up and go shopping as it's the only day we had before Christmas. I have my Covid booster the weekend after so there's no saying if I'll be well enough and I don't see the point of putting Christmas dec's up on the weekend before Christmas. My mum asked, after we'd made the plans, if I could go to the hospital on the Sunday to look after my dad. Now, here's my moral dilemma. I wanted to say 'of course' and drop everything for my parents but then I remembered everything I've done so far and that I need a break too. I asked why she wasn't going and her reason was because she was going to a pantomime. She'd arranged well in advance to go out with my brother, sister and her kids but hadn't actually bothered asking me and my partner, I assume, because she'd already decided we were cancelling our plans to look after my dad. So... not an emergency. OK, so my mum and sister are as entitled to a break as I am but that shouldn't mean making each other cancel plans last minute, especially considering they'd just had 4 days of break. As I said, Sunday is my only day. I told them no, I can't do it. They've asked countless times before for me to go when they couldn't and I've done it without question.

Just a little context on this situation as it happens quite a lot where I'm expected to drop everything for my family:
August 2021: My sister got married. I had been asked to be her maid of honour, same as she was for mine. I'd started planning her hen do and all those other little bits that were my responsibility. I then got informed that I was no longer invited to my sisters wedding as she'd decided she only wanted her friend there (no parents) and was going down to Bournemouth. OK, fair enough. I was annoyed but it's her choice at the end of the day. I then get invited to go shopping with my mum and my sister for what I thought was an 'all of us' shopping day. How wrong was I. My mum was frantically searching for a dress and when I asked 'Why?' she responded 'for your sister's wedding.' Bam. Kick to the teeth. What a nice way to find out that they'd lied to me. I confronted them about why I was uninvited in that case if parents were now coming and it was 'close family'. The reason is: If you and your brother come then that means that sister's husband-to-be's grandma will want to come and they don't want loads of people there so it's parents only to stop arguments. Hmm... okay. I'll respect that; that's their decision. So instead of going to my sister's wedding I'm asked to leave my family for 3 days to go and look after my brother and parents' house & dogs. Couple of months later and I'm visiting my sister's house and there's her wedding photos on the wall... complete with a group photo of around 30 people including husband's Grandma, friends & their families and some people I've never seen in my life. So to me it seems like they lied to me to get me to drop everything to go and look after their dogs.

OK, back to my point.

Whilst I understand everyone responds differently to stress, it seems as though my sister is starting to play everyone off each other and blaming/guilt tripping everyone else for days when they can't be with my dad. She goes one day a week. She's already made my mum cry but gets handed a green card because she has children. On the Saturday before that dreaded Sunday, I was waiting around at my mum's house for her to get home from work so I could drive her to the hospital to visit my dad. Whilst waiting, I get some pretty horrific texts from my sister saying that my mum's crying and I shouldn't have to be guilt tripped in to going to look after my dad and essentially making out that I don't do anything for them. She then told me that I 'may as well just go home'. Of course I took her up on that, grabbed my shit and walked out that door.

After everything I've done for them, after everything I've given up, because one day out of 2.5 months I've asked for one day for myself I'm suddenly the worst daughter in the world and I haven't done anything for them. Like I'd said, if it was an emergency and their car had broken down then of course I would've dropped everything to go to dad. Not for a bloody pantomime. Not when my dad is lying extremely vulnerable in a hospital bed, undergoing chemotherapy which has completely destroyed his immune system. We were told that even if he has an underlying infection, as soon as he has his chemo then it will kill him. I wouldn't consider a pantomime, a room full of people during a pandemic, would be the best place to go and whether I went on Sunday or not I'm absolutely furious that they would even consider putting my dad's life at risk like that.

Now my family aren't talking to me as I need to 'grow up' and 'put my ego aside' - all of this because I said no. My mum's sticking up for my sister because 'She's stressed because she's working and she has children', but does that mean that because I don't have children my life is less meaningful and I don't have a right to be stressed? I don't know how many of you have been through infertility and fertilty clinics but it's not a nice place to be and it's certainly not stress free.

I'm heartbroken and I want to cut my family off because I can't take any more of the abuse (it's been like this all my life) but am I just going to be seen by everyone else as being the asshole and I don't want to leave my dad during what could be his final days.

Am I an asshole? :(

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Skeumorph · 15/12/2021 14:54

They are appalling.

But you know that.

Can you keep visiting the hospital when it suits you to see him, and ignore them completely?

That's what I'd do.

I'd prioritise being able to see and help your dad directly and nothing else. Note: not the kind of 'helping your dad' that translates as 'helping mum do x otherwise she's bleating that she won't have time to go and see dad'. Or sister. Their stuff is their problem. You KNOW by now that if they want to do something, they'll find a way. They have the resources and the help. They'd just rather use you because it'[s easier.

It sounds like your dad may not have long, just be there for him and for yourself through this period. Ignore them for now. Tell all the home truths you like later. They're users, they don't respect or really care. They can stick their weddings and their pantomimes up their arses and leav you alone.

arethereanyleftatall · 15/12/2021 15:02

Goodness, you're being pulled in every direction at the moment, very difficult for you Thanks

I didn't get all the way through your post (school run) so sorry if I missed this, but what jumped out at me from your post was how at this time when everyone is trying to lean on you, so is your (presumably fully functioning adult?) partner. I get that you might want to spend time with him - but you've mentioned he's 'looking after the home on his own' and something else as if it's a particularly onerous task.

It seems like everyone in your life expects you to do everything.

user1499291455 · 15/12/2021 15:07

Gosh I feel for you, what a tough time. Definitely time to consider yourself first and do what you need to by seeing your dad. I haven't been through ivf but I know others that have and it takes a physical and mental toll and you need to look after yourself. Good luck

RainbowZebraWarrior · 15/12/2021 15:11

Also feel for you. That's an awful lot of shit to deal with.

I had some very difficult circumstances to deal with about 4 years ago. I just thought Fuck It. And started saying No to people. I now look after myself, my DD and my Mum with cancer. The wider family are still pathetically put out by it all, but I figure if they don't get it, they never will. So why should I give a shiny shit?

Look after yourself.

WhereYouLeftIt · 15/12/2021 15:11

"I'm heartbroken and I want to cut my family off because I can't take any more of the abuse (it's been like this all my life) but am I just going to be seen by everyone else as being the asshole and I don't want to leave my dad during what could be his final days."

It sounds to me as if your sister is The Golden Child and you are The Scapegoat. It's a known family dynamic, if you google the terms you'll find lots of information about it.

First thing to take on board - you are not the asshole. They will do their damnedest to make you feel as if you are, and they've had a lot of practice at doing that to youSad so they may well be able to make you feel that you're the asshole here again, but please - know that you're not. They, on the other hand - assholes, selfish, cruel, abusive, demanding, narcissistic - the list goes on and on.

Next thing to take on board - they are not going to change, and neither is their opinion ('you are The Scapegoat') of you. There in nothing you can ever do that will be good enough for these assholes to appreciate you. Frankly I am in awe at how much you have being do for the already. The fact that they are not just confirms that they are the assholes.

They will never see your worthSad, and once you can accept that - and I know how much that must hurt - maybe then you will find the strength to cut them out of your life. They have abused you all your life, treated you badly (my God, your sister's wedding!) and frankly do not deserve you. You need, for your own sanity, to step back from these very toxic people and stay stepped back from them. ((hug))

freelions · 15/12/2021 15:18

If course you aren't an arsehole!

We all have limits as what time and emotional energy we can give up to support others and its important to care for yourself as well

It is fine to say no occasionally

Hereagainnewlogin · 15/12/2021 15:23

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Hereagainnewlogin · 15/12/2021 15:24

Argh no idea what happened there but I meant to quote @Skeumorph, not @arethereanyleftatall - sorry!!

JustWonderingIfYou · 15/12/2021 15:25

There sounds more to this than you are saying.

You say your sister's husband could look after her house and 2 children but then talk abou the extra stress on leaving your partner with 2 cats Confused

Honestly a grown man alone with 2 cats is not up there on the stress list.

I'm confused why you need to be with your mum, can she not care for your dad? But then you say he's in hospital in a different city. How disabled is your brother? If the dogs were sent to kennels or your sisters could he care for himself for a few days and then free up your mums time?

Risefromthedream · 15/12/2021 15:25

They are treating you terribly and as you pointed out it isn’t the first time they’ve taken advantage of you. Seems like one of those situations where the minute you say no they turn on you.

Can you continue to visit your Dad on your own terms? If he is in hospital they can’t prevent you from seeing him?

They’ve treated you terribly regarding your fertility treatment too. It’s incredibly difficult to go through.

I’m so sorry for your troubles.

potter5 · 15/12/2021 15:26

Put yourself first for a change!

LagunaBubbles · 15/12/2021 15:27

What an appalling pair your Mum and sister really are.

Chamomileteaplease · 15/12/2021 15:29

I think that's a great idea about just visiting your dad. Let your mother sort out her affairs for herself. You are working and having a tough time yourself.

If you've been treated like this for years then some counselling will be helpful to give you the tools to learn to nurture yourself.

I agree with a PP though, your partner having to look after the house and cats really isnt' a big deal. However, you need to get back home for your own sake.

A six hour round trip once a week is bad enough, let alone every day!

FlorenceNightshade · 15/12/2021 15:32

Visit your dad when it suits you. Be there for him as much as you want to be but take time for yourself too. Why aren't his needs being met by the hospital staff? If he's an inpatient then there shouldn't be a need for you to be providing care unless he has requested it. If possible let the staff do their jobs and be his daughter not his carer.
As for your mum and sister I really couldn't be bothered with attempting a relationship with people who clearly think so little of me. Tell them you're putting yourself first and if they don't like it that's unfortunate but you won't be changing your mind.
Sorry your treatment wasn't successful, I think it's sensible to wait until you are in a better place but it's awful your family don't appreciate how difficult it's been for you.

Cherrytart23 · 15/12/2021 15:33

I would go visit dad in hospital when you can but have no contact with mum and sister for a week or 2 they will soon realise exactly how much you do for them.

lesenfantsdelesperance · 15/12/2021 15:34

Just go and see your dad when it suits you and leave the rest of them to get on with it.

Others aren't wrong about the cats though.

Sorry you are going through all of this.

gamerchick · 15/12/2021 15:39

Stick to your guns you're being taken for granted and the more you give the more they'll take.

A Sunday off is not much to ask for. If they dont like it then you'll take a step back and visit your dad when you want too, nothing else.

Chocolatewheatos · 15/12/2021 15:44

I thought after the first bit of your dad being ill in hospital I'd be like "c'mon now, just put your father first for a short while" but fuck me! They're treating you like shit. Your dad was presumably well when they all trotted off to the wedding and left you looking after the dogs 🤯 so I'm not excluding him from this either.

You are doing FAR too much for them and they're taking the proper piss, visit your dad, help your mum out when you have free time but Jesus christ sleep in your own bed, get a shower, have a baby. They don't give a shiny shit about you so stop putting them before yourself.

Chocolatewheatos · 15/12/2021 15:47

In fact I don't even see what help your mum needs, she's not looking after him, she can walk her own dogs. Step back from helping and just visit.

Aquamarine1029 · 15/12/2021 15:54

Take a massive step back from these selfish, abusive arseholes. Claim your life back and stop being everyone's mug.

Lysianthus · 15/12/2021 15:54

@Skeumorph

They are appalling.

But you know that.

Can you keep visiting the hospital when it suits you to see him, and ignore them completely?

That's what I'd do.

I'd prioritise being able to see and help your dad directly and nothing else. Note: not the kind of 'helping your dad' that translates as 'helping mum do x otherwise she's bleating that she won't have time to go and see dad'. Or sister. Their stuff is their problem. You KNOW by now that if they want to do something, they'll find a way. They have the resources and the help. They'd just rather use you because it'[s easier.

It sounds like your dad may not have long, just be there for him and for yourself through this period. Ignore them for now. Tell all the home truths you like later. They're users, they don't respect or really care. They can stick their weddings and their pantomimes up their arses and leav you alone.

I was coming on to say all this but @Skeumorph has put it perfectly. Good luck OP 💐
Disabrie22 · 15/12/2021 15:54

I wouldn’t stop fertility treatment for anyone - you need to put this first in your life.

EnidFrighten · 15/12/2021 16:01

I don't fully understand all of this, but I'd just get on with trying for a baby, get some counselling, see your dad when it suits you. Your mum and sister sound like a bunch of bitchy banshees.

Bonheurdupasse · 15/12/2021 16:03

@WhereYouLeftIt

"I'm heartbroken and I want to cut my family off because I can't take any more of the abuse (it's been like this all my life) but am I just going to be seen by everyone else as being the asshole and I don't want to leave my dad during what could be his final days."

It sounds to me as if your sister is The Golden Child and you are The Scapegoat. It's a known family dynamic, if you google the terms you'll find lots of information about it.

First thing to take on board - you are not the asshole. They will do their damnedest to make you feel as if you are, and they've had a lot of practice at doing that to youSad so they may well be able to make you feel that you're the asshole here again, but please - know that you're not. They, on the other hand - assholes, selfish, cruel, abusive, demanding, narcissistic - the list goes on and on.

Next thing to take on board - they are not going to change, and neither is their opinion ('you are The Scapegoat') of you. There in nothing you can ever do that will be good enough for these assholes to appreciate you. Frankly I am in awe at how much you have being do for the already. The fact that they are not just confirms that they are the assholes.

They will never see your worthSad, and once you can accept that - and I know how much that must hurt - maybe then you will find the strength to cut them out of your life. They have abused you all your life, treated you badly (my God, your sister's wedding!) and frankly do not deserve you. You need, for your own sanity, to step back from these very toxic people and stay stepped back from them. ((hug))

This - OP
Nickwinkle · 15/12/2021 16:03

Wow! I did not expect so many responses on this - thank you all for your kind words. It's been an awful time.

I'll just touch up on the partner/cat situation... I may have made that sound bad but it's actually not the case. I meant more as 'I didn't want to leave him looking after everything for a few days as it's not fair to put the stresses on him'. He's been an absolute god-send and even took some time off work so he could drive me to mum's/hospital because he could see how exhausted I was and didn't want me to have an accident by falling asleep at the wheel. He's also come to the hospital with me on occasions so he can look after my dad whilst I get some work done in a corner so I really can't fault him. Sorry for mixing that bit up!

The staff at hospital he's in are completely useless but unfortunately that's where all the lymphoma specialists are so moving him isn't an option. They've left him some nights lying in his own faeces and/or sick and keep ignoring his buzzer. Because he can't feed himself, if they've had no one there to feed him because of 'staff shortages' then he's just gone without. I've been there when it's happened and several complaints have gone in to the matron, ward manager & PALS :( So I'd rather go all day and make sure he's properly looked after. He's my dad after all and if he doesn't pull through then at least I can say hand on heart that I did everything I could to make the last of his time as comfortable as possible.

I've had councelling a couple of times previously and the lady always brought up my lack of confidence and assertiveness. I've found I deal a lot better with it these days - except for when it comes to my family - and so I guess that means I've found the epicentre of it all.

You're all completely right and, as painful as it'll be, I really need to cut my ties with them. I could tell you so many stories of what's gone on...

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