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Did John love Paul more than any woman?

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PaulForeverYokoNever · 15/12/2021 00:05

Following on from the question was Paul McCartney in 1969 the best looking rock star of all time, were John and Paul like David and Jonathan?

AIBU to say that John loved Paul more than any woman?

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mewkins · 17/12/2021 13:39

@PaulForeverYokoNever

I thought George came across quite badly. Immature and arrogant, acting like he was as talented as Jimi Hendrix and like no-one had the right to tell him what to play. And so so negative, shutting down everyone’s ideas for the live show that they, as a group, had agreed to do.

Paul couldn’t win in that situation. But he acted like the only adult in the room.

To be fair to George, his ‘resignation’ from the group was precipitated by a fight with John that happened off-camera. He’d had enough of whatever game John was playing, using Ono to provoke and cause bad feeling in the studio. I don’t blame George for that. But in general, I thought his attitude was lousy.

I don't know. His songs were dismissed without discussion really. He says at one point that he feels like they don't want his contribution or that he's intruding. Must have felt a bit shit. I felt sorry for him. Also I'm guessing he disliked the cameras on him constantly. Paul seemed to enjoy it but the rest of them look uneasy.

Yoko just sitting really close was so bizarre. Like the elephant in the room.

EYProvider · 17/12/2021 14:19

@mewkins - Oh yeah, and so incredibly creepy. Sitting there like the grim reaper and clinging to John.

Fair dos though, he clearly wasn’t that interested in her - all his attention was on Paul. The interesting bits of J and Y in their dug haze were cut out.

mewkins · 17/12/2021 14:34

Oooh how do you see the rest of it?!?

EYProvider · 17/12/2021 14:39

I think John was using his stalker to get a reaction from Paul. I think he went a bit crazy when Linda came on the scene.

PlanktonsComputerWife · 17/12/2021 15:13

John was demented about Yoko.

EYProvider · 17/12/2021 15:15

So he said, @PlanktonsComputerWife. And she certainly had him, how can I put it? Under a spell.

PlanktonsComputerWife · 17/12/2021 15:19

Ah yes, the occult foreign devil woman.

EYProvider · 17/12/2021 15:21

Why is her gender or ethnicity relevant?

Nimo12 · 17/12/2021 15:27

[quote RaPumPumPumPum]@SisterMichael I’m not a Beatles fan but I’m a bit embarrassed that my first thought was the Apostles Blush[/quote]
Hahaha this just made me burst out laughing on the train 😂😂

Fatarseflanagan09 · 17/12/2021 15:28

I can't stand Saint Paul with his cats arsehole mouth and John Lennon was apparently a nasty piece of work who thought he was gods gift to the world of music.

EYProvider · 17/12/2021 17:04

@Fatarseflanagan09 - Fascinating, I’m sure.

JaneJeffer · 17/12/2021 18:05

Did you know that Cliff Richard sang Devil Woman about Yoko Ono?

PlanktonsComputerWife · 17/12/2021 18:08

It all makes sense. Cliff Richard's real middle name is Ro(d)ger, to boot.

EYProvider · 17/12/2021 18:15

LOL. I get that Yoko is held up as a poster child for the radical feminist movement (which is pretty hilarious to anyone who actually knows anything about her - eg, May Pang, the woman victim in the Rape film, etc), but even the most devoted Yoko acolyte surely can’t deny that she was (is?) obsessed with the occult.

I mean, I’m sorry, but it’s like saying Hitler wasn’t a nazi. It’s a lie.

JaneJeffer · 17/12/2021 18:16

Don't kill granny 😢

JaneJeffer · 17/12/2021 18:16

Posted too soon

Did John love Paul more than any woman?
EYProvider · 17/12/2021 18:25

I mean, how can you even reconcile something like this with your view of Ono as a feminist icon?:

www.sensesofcinema.com/2004/feature-articles/yoko_ono_rape/

She’d be in prison for harassment if she pulled that shit today. Ignoring of course the obsequious reviews, which we all know she pays people to write.

RandomDent · 17/12/2021 20:59

So you’re not a fan of Merry Xmas (War is Over)?

EYProvider · 17/12/2021 21:41

I don’t mind the bit sung by John. I’m not too keen on the chorus with her wailing in the background.

In general, I don’t like Lennon’s solo stuff. I like Plastic Ono Band and Imagine, but a lot of that music was written when he was still a Beatle.

Swirlywoo · 18/12/2021 08:55

Cliff Richard's real middle name is Ro(d)ger, to boot

Grin
Swirlywoo · 18/12/2021 09:20

I don't know much about Yoko Ono, but I recently read this about the ways in which she is/was viewed.

www.theguardian.com/culture/2018/jun/01/yoko-ono-john-lennon-liverpool-double-fantasy

EYProvider · 18/12/2021 12:07

@Swirlywoo - Yoko practically invented identity politics. I don’t rate her as an artist, but she does have an unusual gift for self-promotion. She’s sold herself as an Oppressed Asian Woman to the useful idiots who see her as a poster child for the cause (I don’t count the media among them because there’s ample evidence she has paid them to promote this image over the years), and this has given her a free pass to act with impunity. Anyone who calls her out on the truly heinous things she has done over the years is a Racist or a Misogynist and Must Be Immediately Cancelled.

I think Yoko Ono is a genius when it comes to manipulation, and the lack of critical thinking among the people who are so easily manipulated (because it makes them feel virtuous and important) in today’s climate means she can literally say anything about herself and will be believed. She has literally been given a platform to rewrite history by manipulating people to ignore it. And I think that’s very dangerous, and very unjust for the (many) people she has wronged, including John Lennon.

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