Did John love Paul more than any woman?

[PaulForeverYokoNever]

Following on from the question was Paul McCartney in 1969 the best looking rock star of all time, were John and Paul like David and Jonathan?

AIBU to say that John loved Paul more than any woman?

[quote PlanktonsComputerWife]@sparklingbrook they may have heard Got to Get You Into My Life at the end of The Minions, Hello Goodbye at the cricket, variations on Hey Jude and Yellow Submarine at the football.

I believe of the 60s bands both the Kinks and the Stones have aged better, so those are the tunes I personally inflict on my offspring.🤷‍♀️[/quote]
Well my two got (and still get) the 80s and seem ok with it TBH.

Paul was undoubtedly a enormously gifted musician and songwriter, but IMO John is in another league. He has pure raw genius just pouring out of him. When he sings he comes alive like no-one else I can think of. And while his songs aren't as polished or "crafted" as Paul's, they're streets ahead in terms of lyricism and raw expression. "Don't let me down" is my favourite song of all time; it's so brutally vulnerable.

I've no doubt John was a horrible human being, but he was so damaged. The "Plastic Ono Band" album he released after the Beatles finally split is just devastating; he's still just a scared little boy who's been abandoned by his parents. I don't think that wound ever healed.

Well my two got (and still get) the 80s and seem ok with it TBH.

The greatest decade! And I will just add a "gavel" to preclude any argument: gavel.

“I work on the principle that it's not possible to take anyone's views on music seriously if they don't like the Beatles. Everything else is a question of personal taste and therefore debatable. But if you don't recognise the Beatles as the twentieth century's most inventive, most influential and most talented composers, you're pretty much admitting that you've rather missed the point of the last hundred years of musical endeavour. Should you fall into that category, I do not condemn neither do I mock. I merely despair and, having despaired, I move on."

Written twenty-five years ago, but still works for me…

Not true that 20 year olds have never heard of them. DS is 23, hugely into music, writes and plays his own stuff, and really rates them - especially McCartney. Apparently a lot of his solo stuff is very avant-garde (McCartney Ii) and he bought McCartney III the day it came out.

DH and I, born in the 60s, grew up with them and both of us love their music and are riveted by the Get Back documentaries. Mind blowing to see the songwriting process at work.

John was always my favourite when I was young but I agree, he was a very damaged individual.

My two (22 and 18) have heard of them. We have visited Liverpool many times (to go to Anfield though) and they are pretty unavoidable there. I would imagine they've seen PM doing carpool karaoke etc. But I didn't 'introduce' them to The Beatles as some sort of right of passage, now they wouldn't be on their playlist or radar at all. And I think that's absolutely fine.

@PlanktonsComputerWife

Well my two got (and still get) the 80s and seem ok with it TBH.

The greatest decade! And I will just add a "gavel" to preclude any argument: gavel.

At least I was actually alive in that decade.

[quote Sparklingbrook]@WalkingOnTheCracks well that ship has sailed so they can discover The Beatles by themselves if they so wish.
At what age should I have done it? [/quote]
In the womb.

Have we found out who David and Jonathan are yet?

@Swirlywoo

Have we found out who David and Jonathan are yet?

Walliams and Ross I believe.

Oh it's definitely too late then @WalkingOnTheCracks, never mind eh.

@Anordinarymum

John Lennon was cruel beyond all reason to his first wife and his son. I do not think people like him are capable of loving anyone other than themselves.

This! He was a total shit to Cynthia and Julian, bloody hypocrite!

Walliams and Ross I believe

Someone further up the thread said they wouldn't be surprised to discover John was gay. I thought it was documented that Lennon and Epstein had a thing. I can't remember where I heard this but it was years ago.

@DeclareThePenniesOnYourEyes - My own view on the matter is that John and Paul were exposed to so much sex, in all its permutations, that it became boring and ceased to matter. David and Jonathan’s relationship was platonic; I don’t know about John and Paul. The sheer amount of sex on offer to them, along with the psycho-sexual drama of the John/Paul/Stuart triangle, not to mention John/Paul/Yoko makes me doubt it, but I don’t think it was the thing that drove them apart.

I think John was highly, highly disturbed. He wanted to merge consciousness with Paul, which he was able to do to some extent on LSD, but it scared the shit out of Paul and he backed off. JohnandYoko (we are one person) was a hurt reaction to that, imo.

He was a total shit to Cynthia and Julian, bloody hypocrite!

He was. And he was a complete arsehole in many other ways.

But people change, and Lennon did. I think if you’re as damaged as he was, that’s difficult and frightening, and it requires courage. And it should be acknowledged.

He was a SAHD to Sean. There was something there that he wanted to get right. To be a better parent than he had been to Julian, or that either of his parents were to him.

Me, I think that that commitment to change is commendable.

@WalkingOnTheCracks - He really wasn’t a stay at home dad to Sean. He was in his bedroom in a depressed drug haze.

[quote EYProvider]@WalkingOnTheCracks - He really wasn’t a stay at home dad to Sean. He was in his bedroom in a depressed drug haze.[/quote]
Source?

@WalkingOnTheCracks - Every single person who spent any time around J & Y in the 70’s, apart from the people on Y’s payroll (Elliot Mintz, etc), who have been ordered to preach from the Ballad.

Also, this:

beatlesdaily.com/2020/10/10/june-1977-john-lennon-and-david-bowie-in-hong-kong/

He was half dead by the time he was shot.

I love The Beatles unashamedly. Especially Paul. Doesn’t mean all of their songs are good but their talent, productivity and range is undeniable. To have produced 2 albums a year, and gone from writing songs like She Loves You in 1964 to Tomorrow Never Knows in 1966 was unbelievable - they developed so much and pioneered so many sounds and techniques.

When you listen to them now it’s clear how much music can be traced back to their influence, even today. I believe if you genuinely love music then you’ll like at least one Beatles song - there’s one for every mood and genre.

And Macca is still writing good music now. He’s supposed to be headlining Glastonbury next year too.

@Swirlywoo

Have we found out who David and Jonathan are yet?

I assume it’s a biblical reference

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_and_Jonathan

I’m genuinely shocked that so many people don’t get the reference.

Shocking eh? That's the 90s national curriculum for you.

Have I failed as a parent for not introducing my two DC to a band that were big not only before they were born but before I was?

My kids like 80s/90s music too. I was immensely proud when my daughter picked out a Blondie song played by a busker the other day!

I keep meaning to 'educate' them about the Beatles but it's just easier to stick on Radio 2.

I assumed David and Jonathan were the two old blokes in the op's second post.