Did John love Paul more than any woman?

[PaulForeverYokoNever]

Following on from the question was Paul McCartney in 1969 the best looking rock star of all time, were John and Paul like David and Jonathan?

AIBU to say that John loved Paul more than any woman?

Why all the Paul threads?

Has he died again or something?!

Friendship and sexual/romantic/spousal love are different things, and not in competition. We tend to see friendship as kind of a poor relative but it can be every bit as deep and committed as the other kind.

Did John have deeper friendships than sexual/romantic relationships? Maybe. Some people are better at one than the other.

Personally I think John loved John more than any other woman. Or man. Or child.

@gofg

I was around when the Beatles burst onto the music scene. I don't think you can say there were overrated unless you understand the entire scene at the time. They were game changers, everything was different after they arrived. You might not like them, but they did have a profound influence on music and on society at that time.

I agree. Those who were not around at the time cannot possibly understand.

To anyone slagging off the Beatles just point them in the direction of their repertoire. Song after song, so prolific, so ground-breaking, so innovative. They didn't have one great songwriter, or even two, but three. Show me any group anywhere with that level of original output, from the first singles right through to Sgt Pepper and beyond.

They also did hundreds of gigs together before they even got their first record deal. They were as tight as any group of musicians could be. Their three part harmonies came to them as natural as breathing. Their alchemy, particularly when you factor in George Martin is what makes them so incredibly special.

Anyone who says the Beatles were overrated is talking out of their arse. Most of their recordings were on four track; eight track never even became available until 1968 and yet you listen to things like this and you just wonder how?

They were innovators, groundbreakers, and paved the way for every single musician that came after them and that is why they command so much respect amongst musicians themselves.

Jo Public who 'doesn't get all the fuss' about the Beatles, or who reckons they are 'overrated' needs to get themselves a musical education and fast.

@PlanktonsComputerWife

Technically, George didn’t write My Sweet Lord; The Chiffons did. And it was Paul’s bassline that elevated Something from the dirge it started out as.

Dunno about the five songs on Revolver and Rubber Soul. The only one of note that I’m aware of is Taxman, but let’s be realistic, it took George years to come up with that one song that anyone thought was passable, and it can’t compete with Eleanor Rigby or Here, There and Everywhere on that album. I would even say Yellow Submarine is better.

Paul sounds awful. 🚩

Or this even oops

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No, fancying Paul McCartney is surely very very niche.

John treated at least 1, seem to think 2, women he was involved with incredibly badly. Violence etc.
So he was no friend of women despite his songs.

Read about Yoko Ono experiences.

I think prince in kiss video is the sexiest in the world.

He's just... Omg wow hot as all fuck, and even ... My god. Unbelievably sexy in every way.

Imo. Your opinion is s hard nope for me.

Takes all sorts...

I think the beatles, in general, are pretty overrated

Blasphemy! I'm in my 30s and they are my favourite band of all time. I honestly don't think I've heard a song of theirs I don't like. I also like Maccas new music.

‘Yoko Ono experiences’? LOL. Written by her, were they?

I’ve said plenty about YO in the Heather Mills thread so I won’t repeat it here. But I will say John was the abused in that relationship and not the abuser.

@gofg

I was around when the Beatles burst onto the music scene. I don't think you can say there were overrated unless you understand the entire scene at the time. They were game changers, everything was different after they arrived. You might not like them, but they did have a profound influence on music and on society at that time.

I agree. Those who were not around at the time cannot possibly understand.

I'm in my 40s so have seen a few groups come and change the music scene, NKOTB sparked a huge amount of boy bands and shaped a lot of 90s music, but, objectively, they are pretty mediocre I still love them

I suppose its different if you're there at the time and see the before and after though. They have been around as long as I have.

I think Elvis is pretty overrated too, but that's probably the same thing, if you were around to see the music scene before and then after you probably appreciate it more.

I don't dislike The Beatles or Elvis, just find them a bit meh. My dd absolutely adores the beatles and listens to them all the time though so clearly I'm just weird 🤣

And the answer to the question is yes, clearly.

John needed other men (Stuart, Paul, Brian Epstein perhaps) for emotional intimacy. Women were either Aunt Mimi (Yoko) or groupies.

I look back and think some of their music is a bit cheesy (rather like Elton John and Queen.) But I was around when they were in the band and they evoked such mania in people. I was young but I remember being dragged to the cinema by my big sister so she could scream over them. She was probably about 10! Haha. The thing is we're so jaded now because there's nothing we haven't heard or seen. But then it was all so new and different.

@Skeumorph

Why all the Paul threads?

Has he died again or something?!

I think it must be Beatles month or something. Check out the Heather Mills thread...

@PlanktonsComputerWife

George had four or five good songs across Rubber Soul and Revolver alone- surely you don't think those terribly obscure?!
@PlanktonsComputerWife

Depends what you mean by obscure.

G’s songs on those two albums are:

Think For Yourself
If I Needed Someone
Taxman
Love You To
I Want To Tell You

Of those, probably only Taxman is well-known outside of Beatles’ fans. (And I’d say that’s because the rest are pretty mediocre.)

Personally, I think that ratio of songwriting credits in the Beatles is pretty proportional to the talent. I mean, ‘Taxman’, ‘While My Guitar Gently Weeps’, ‘Here Comes The Sun’, ‘Something’ - all top flight songs from George. But I can’t think of any others that really compete with Lennon-McCartney’s best.

Then again, I thought All Things Must Pass was wildly over-rated.

@ShippingNews

I think the beatles, in general, are pretty overrated though

I was around when the Beatles burst onto the music scene. I don't think you can say there were overrated unless you understand the entire scene at the time. They were game changers, everything was different after they arrived. You might not like them, but they did have a profound influence on music and on society at that time.

And in answer to your OP, they were certainly close but I'm not sure that they loved each other more than they loved any woman. They were partners in many ways but they did love the women in their lives as well. So my answer would be "maybe".

I was around when the Beatles burst onto the music scene. I don't think you can say there were overrated unless you understand the entire scene at the time. They were game changers, everything was different after they arrived

I closely follow a different genre to pop/rock and follow a certain artist. Everything just exploded following their arrival with things moving in a different direction.

I don't like the Beatles' music but can see the common musical vibe change that their music caused. Certainly many of the group's I follow now raise a musical hat them, just like in my genre where musicians follow the pioneer who arrived some 20 years ago (and who will have his 45th birthday soon).

Music needs direction changes to avoid becoming stale. Thankfully,today, we have more people capable of raising change. It's quite sad that many amazing talents won't leave a mark, or be remembered.

Well, there's no arguing about taste- George tracks were always the standout tracks to me from a young age, before I could tell George's and Paul's voices apart, even. And I can't claim to know what's inside the minds of the non-Beatles fan, as I was indoctrinated with all the LPs so methodically by my Beatlemaniac mother! However, IME teenagers and twenty-somethings don't usually know any Beatles songs whatsoever- Hey Jude or Yesterday only, perhaps. It's a bit of a shame.

🤣🤣🤣 out of the Beatles may be. They were not very good looking.

OP, I don't quite know how to put this, but I think you would be better posting on a different forum, perhaps one devoted to music.

@PlanktonsComputerWife

Well, there's no arguing about taste- George tracks were always the standout tracks to me from a young age, before I could tell George's and Paul's voices apart, even. And I can't claim to know what's inside the minds of the non-Beatles fan, as I was indoctrinated with all the LPs so methodically by my Beatlemaniac mother! However, IME teenagers and twenty-somethings don't usually know any Beatles songs whatsoever- Hey Jude or Yesterday only, perhaps. It's a bit of a shame.

@PlanktonsComputerWife

Teenagers and twenty-somethings don't usually know any Beatles songs whatsoever

Mine do. So do their friends.

And not just the Beatles. I had a long conversation with my elder daughter’s boyfriend on Saturday about the relative merits of early Led Zeppelin albums.

I think it’s a question of what they get to hear when they’re growing up. About ten years ago, when my younger daughter was seven, she went off to school one day singing ‘Baby’s in Black’ and came home singing ‘Natural Woman’.

I thought, ‘My job as a parent is complete. I may retire to a monastery.’

The album sleeves on the teenage girls’ walls include Bowie, Floyd, Costello, The Clash, Alice Cooper, as well as bands they’ve introduced me to - Twin Peaks, King Krule, Tame Impala, The Wombats, Phoebe Bridgers.

That, incidentally, is an unexpected benefit for which I’m very grateful.

Slightly off-topic - it galls me that people my age whinge about music today being crap, without really having done the work of exploring it. There’s a lot of good stuff happening - it’s just that it helps to have a teenager advise you where to look.

Generally older people judge contemporary music by what they hear on the radio or in shops. This is the equivalent of my dad hearing ‘Chirpy-Chirpy-Cheep-Cheep’ in 1971 and saying ‘It’s all rubbish, this music today’.

My teens were introduced to the music I listened to growing up which was 80s stuff. I don't think The Beatles are even on their radar past having heard of them. I'm not sure they could name many songs.
I sometimes have to endure the youngest's Spotify playlist when I let him in the car, but I am upholding the tradition just like my Dad did to me of thinking it's all awful.

@PaulForeverYokoNever who are David and Jonathan?

[quote Smidge001]@PaulForeverYokoNever who are David and Jonathan?[/quote]
It’s a literary reference.

Dear God. What do they teach people at school these days?

David and Jonathan are from the Bible.