Meet the Other Phone. Child-safe in minutes.

Meet the Other Phone.
Child-safe in minutes.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To want to become a single mother by choice?

531 replies

Eversograteful · 14/12/2021 02:49

I have made up my mind that I 100% do not want to get married. Ever. Even after kids.

My reasons:

  • I’m well educated. So don’t need to rely on anyone else for income.
  • I have savings and I’m saving up enough to buy a house and get a mortgage which will be 100% mine (then passed on to my kids later).
  • I’m planning on living off my savings for maternity leave then returning to work after 6 months to one year.

My other, more emotional reasons for not wanting marriage:

  • it’s patriarchal, marriage was designed by men to control woman’s sexuality (my opinion)
  • I don’t like the idea of becoming a “Mrs” some else’s last name
  • I find the idea of marriage in general sexist especially the part about changing your name
  • I find weddings a mixture of boring (for everyone else), cringy (for me) and expensive and I’m not prepared to waste £20,000 on one day when I could be saving up for a house deposit with that
  • I don’t like the idea of your entire identity being deleted forever and getting deleted for a man’s identity

I just don’t like anything about marriage, couldn’t care less about being protected and I don’t care about having to work by myself and for myself to build up wealth for my children. Honestly, I’d be quite prepared to become a single mother by choice as I feel it’d almost be easier as

  • I could parent the way that I want
  • I could sleep how I want and feel rested and relaxed during baby stage without being distracted by my husband and dealing with relationship issues
  • I don’t want to deal with relationship problems, I want to parent + focus on my work and paying the bills
  • I get to make parenting decisions by myself
Single mothers have spoken about how much easier it is not to consult anyone else and just do things

I don’t have kids of my own (yet) but I’ve been yearning for my own family (children only) since I was sixteen - I even have the names picked out!. Strangely I’ve always been turned off by marriage since I was a child (even though my parents are married). It’s only recently I’ve decided it’s something I definitely do not want.

AIBU for dreaming about having children on my own?

OP posts:
EdgeOfACoin · 14/12/2021 11:46

Am married. Go by Ms. Kept my own surname. Child's surname is double barrelled.

Husband has never once pressured me for sex.

You have some strange ideas about marriage.

Shehasadiamondinthesky · 14/12/2021 11:48

i absolutely 100% agree with you OP especially the bit about your identity being deleted. You may not think it is but it is, friends see you as a couple, after divorce or whatever you are largely abandoned.
Your partners hobbies/work are always going to come first and you will be left with the bulk of the housework and child rearing so you may as well do it alone.
I'm a single professional woman aged 60, I have my own home and pension, I don't need a man to be happy.
I have plenty of friends to go out with.
I bought my son up alone and he was an angel, the whole house was so relaxed he was no trouble at all. We are still incredibly close now, he's getting on for 40.
I was married for a bit after he left home and then had another relationship and felt like a 2nd class citizen/housemaid the whole time. I'm never having another relationship.
Good luck. I'm also proud my son has my surname.

dustandfluf · 14/12/2021 11:49

@Eversograteful

It would also be nice to have a baby without someone pestering me for sex afterwards and making me feel guilty when I’m not ready for it.

Or generally being married and forced to complete sexual acts that I don’t want to. Basically, I just view marriage as something that takes away my liberty and forces me into being someone I don’t want to be and doing things that I don’t want to do to make other people happy - but not myself.

I'm married and it is absolutely nothing like this!
Shehasadiamondinthesky · 14/12/2021 11:49

Oh yes and I was pressured for sex the whole time with both of them. I don't think they viewed me as human a lot of the time.

Panacotta · 14/12/2021 11:49

@Eversograteful

I have made up my mind that I 100% do not want to get married. Ever. Even after kids.

My reasons:

  • I’m well educated. So don’t need to rely on anyone else for income.
  • I have savings and I’m saving up enough to buy a house and get a mortgage which will be 100% mine (then passed on to my kids later).
  • I’m planning on living off my savings for maternity leave then returning to work after 6 months to one year.

My other, more emotional reasons for not wanting marriage:

  • it’s patriarchal, marriage was designed by men to control woman’s sexuality (my opinion)
  • I don’t like the idea of becoming a “Mrs” some else’s last name
  • I find the idea of marriage in general sexist especially the part about changing your name
  • I find weddings a mixture of boring (for everyone else), cringy (for me) and expensive and I’m not prepared to waste £20,000 on one day when I could be saving up for a house deposit with that
  • I don’t like the idea of your entire identity being deleted forever and getting deleted for a man’s identity

I just don’t like anything about marriage, couldn’t care less about being protected and I don’t care about having to work by myself and for myself to build up wealth for my children. Honestly, I’d be quite prepared to become a single mother by choice as I feel it’d almost be easier as

  • I could parent the way that I want
  • I could sleep how I want and feel rested and relaxed during baby stage without being distracted by my husband and dealing with relationship issues
  • I don’t want to deal with relationship problems, I want to parent + focus on my work and paying the bills
  • I get to make parenting decisions by myself
Single mothers have spoken about how much easier it is not to consult anyone else and just do things

I don’t have kids of my own (yet) but I’ve been yearning for my own family (children only) since I was sixteen - I even have the names picked out!. Strangely I’ve always been turned off by marriage since I was a child (even though my parents are married). It’s only recently I’ve decided it’s something I definitely do not want.

AIBU for dreaming about having children on my own?

So do it on your own then 🤷🏻‍♀️
Panacotta · 14/12/2021 11:50

@Keepitonthedownlow

You are conflating two different things- getting married and your potential child having a father.

All things considered, it is better to have a father than not. The more people who love a child the better. Being married is irrelevant. Being a single parent is very difficult and a support of a loving partner helps make you a better parent, who can be more resilient to the challenges of parenting.

I wouldn't actively choose to become a single parent unless you had no other choice, perhaps due to age. You'd be setting your child and yourself up for a more difficult ride than needed.

Also, some of your views on marriage are very outdated. No-one has to take the man's name, become a Mrs or spend £20k. The main reason to get married is if you want to have rights should you become the lower earner due to child rearing.

This.
TheHungriestMama · 14/12/2021 11:51

My reasons:
1- I’m well educated. So don’t need to rely on anyone else for income.
2- I have savings and I’m saving up enough to buy a house and get a mortgage which will be 100% mine (then passed on to my kids later).
3- I’m planning on living off my savings for maternity leave then returning to work after 6 months to one year.

My other, more emotional reasons for not wanting marriage:
4- it’s patriarchal, marriage was designed by men to control woman’s sexuality (my opinion)
5- I don’t like the idea of becoming a “Mrs” some else’s last name
6- I find the idea of marriage in general sexist especially the part about changing your name
7- I find weddings a mixture of boring (for everyone else), cringy (for me) and expensive and I’m not prepared to waste £20,000 on one day when I could be saving up for a house deposit with that
8- I don’t like the idea of your entire identity being deleted forever and getting deleted for a man’s identity

9 1 I just don’t like anything about marriage, couldn’t care less about being protected and I don’t care about having to work by myself and for myself to build up wealth for my children. Honestly, I’d be quite prepared to become a single mother by choice as I feel it’d almost be easier as

10- I could parent the way that I want
11- I could sleep how I want and feel rested and relaxed during baby stage without being distracted by my husband and dealing with relationship issues
12-I don’t want to deal with relationship problems, I want to parent + focus on my work and paying the bills
13- I get to make parenting decisions by myself
Single mothers have spoken about how much easier it is not to consult anyone else and just do things
14 - to not be harassed for sex/sexual acts after having a baby

..................................................

Firstly, it's your choice OP and fantastic for you that you have savings and are in a position emotionally/physically/financially to raise a child alone! However, here are my thoughts on your points above - just my perspective as a married late 20s woman with a 16mDD....

1.) No comments, that's great!
2.) No comments, also great!
3.) Great that you have savings, and many women do raise children alone and manage well/better. However a lot to be said for two incomes and not having all the financial pressure on you, but again, many do well without a partner.

4.) I actually agree, but felt that I wanted to be married for the legal and financial protection before we had children. If we weren't having kids I perhaps wouldn't have been as bothered as I too am able to earn a decent amount of money alone if needs be.

5.) You don't have to! I go by Ms Double Barrell name. Have always been a Ms since 16/17 taking example from my mum who also wanted to be Ms not Mrs. Also, come from a home where DF took DMs name which in those days was very unusual.

6.) Agreed, annoyed me when DHs family assumed I'd become Mrs DHs surname. They were shocked (eye roll, it's 2021) when we both changed to double barrel to combine both names and create a new one for our DC.

7.) You don't have to spend 20,000! Agree that many weddings do spend money that could be better spent on housing/kids stuff. We spent around 10,000 including honeymoon, before DC as I knew after DC I wouldn't be able to part with that money even if I had it as there's always something better to use it for. However, it was an AMAZING day and so fun, relaxed and a real 'party party' - tons of kids and just very exciting with lots going on. We did really well with stretching our money now I think about it! Wouldn't have changed it.

8.) Why would your identity be deleted!? You carry on being you, you don't have to take a partners name and you can be Ms.

9.) Fair enough! No rule/cultural rule that you have to be married presuming you are in UK

10.) Can't argue with this

11.) I wouldn't have been half as rested and relaxed without DH, who woke up with me for every night feed to feed me snacks while I BF, and still does every night wake with me (the rare ones we get now she's 16m). There's a lot to be said for having a supportive and useful co-parent for the days you are stressed/emotional/sick/tired/just can't do it anymore (especially in young baby phase where they can cry and cry and it's endless feeding, endless rocking, endless 24/7 care and a huge body and mind shock!)

12.) If you have a relationship with issues before DC, then yes, you will likely be worse after DC as they really do test the foundations of your relationship. But if you have a solid and loving relationship then it's tested, but you come through together.

13.) Fair enough! Although me and DH are mostly on the same page, we had been together 13 years before having DC and I am forthright and literally had in depth conversations about future kids when we were 16/17 😂 I then decided we would wait until we both had an education, good jobs, a home and marriage before agreeing to children as DH would honestly have had them at 18. He's very affectionate and a natural parent. I on the other hand crave a lot of solitude/freedom so I needed to be sure I could cope emotionally.

14.) I have seen many posts on here with this issue and it must be awful for those women. Also know women who suffer from this in real life and its so uncomfortable for them emotionally and physically. Personally, DH has NEVER pressured me for sex not even hinted. He knows it wouldn't go down well for one but is very emotionally respectful and craves 'soft' affection more than he does sex - he can be fine with once a week but after DD we did wait 8-10 weeks due to sheer tiredness. He is happy to do it as much as I want, and if it fell to a low level that even he struggled with then he would ask me why, discuss, and do anything he needed to make me more comfortable and in the mood.

There are many good partners out there but I do agree if you have a useless or abusive one it will make parenting so much harder

Amberflames · 14/12/2021 11:51

Let me just go and ask my husband what he thinks, given my opinion apparently doesn’t matter any more.

RampantIvy · 14/12/2021 11:52

@Shehasadiamondinthesky

i absolutely 100% agree with you OP especially the bit about your identity being deleted. You may not think it is but it is, friends see you as a couple, after divorce or whatever you are largely abandoned. Your partners hobbies/work are always going to come first and you will be left with the bulk of the housework and child rearing so you may as well do it alone. I'm a single professional woman aged 60, I have my own home and pension, I don't need a man to be happy. I have plenty of friends to go out with. I bought my son up alone and he was an angel, the whole house was so relaxed he was no trouble at all. We are still incredibly close now, he's getting on for 40. I was married for a bit after he left home and then had another relationship and felt like a 2nd class citizen/housemaid the whole time. I'm never having another relationship. Good luck. I'm also proud my son has my surname.
That is just your experience. It strikes me that you were with the wrong men. DH has never made me feel like a second class citizen/housemaid. I am married, and have my own savings and pension, my own friends and am perfectly capable of living independently. I don't though because I share my life with my husband.
Bells3032 · 14/12/2021 12:00

I think your ideas of what marriage is like is very sad. you don't have to loose yourself in a marriage and you certainly shouldn't be forced into doing sexual acts etc you're not happy with. I also think if you want to raise a child yourself that's fine too. But need to consider some issues:

  • whilst you say you have savings etc have you factored in the cost of full time childcare which can be hundreds of pounds of week for the first few years of their lives. They also generally run from 8-6 so if you have a long commute how will you pick up your child.
  • even once in school most schools finish at half 3 so would likely continue to need child care
  • will you have help/support for the first few weeks/months when baby needs feeding every hour or so
  • someone you can talk about issues with
  • what if you are sick? someone to ensure child is cared for.

But i do know people who have done it themselves with a sperm donor. usually cos they are late 30s and think if not now then when? But all have had a lot of family support around them.

Shehasadiamondinthesky · 14/12/2021 12:02

Lucky you rampant ivy, all the men I have known have been suboptimal to say the least and obsessed with sex.

brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr · 14/12/2021 12:03

@Eversograteful

It would also be nice to have a baby without someone pestering me for sex afterwards and making me feel guilty when I’m not ready for it.

Or generally being married and forced to complete sexual acts that I don’t want to. Basically, I just view marriage as something that takes away my liberty and forces me into being someone I don’t want to be and doing things that I don’t want to do to make other people happy - but not myself.

Well to be fair a gentleman would wait until the placenta is out before „pestering“ for sex
U8976532 · 14/12/2021 12:23

Lucky you rampant ivy, all the men I have known have been suboptimal to say the least and obsessed with sex.

Presumably as a mother of a son you're proud of you realise not all men are like the ones you've experienced.

Eversograteful · 14/12/2021 12:31

@NdujaWannaDance

I'm pretty sure that the OP will have no problem on the never marrying front if she is this man hating in real life as she comes across in her posts - I doubt she will be inundated with offers - I only hope the child she feels so entitled to have isn't a son with her views on men

I strongly suspect she is very inexperienced in relationships with men and anything she 'knows' about them is what she's gleaned from reading Mumsnet or watching TV dramas where there is little happiness or harmony.

She's choosing to focus on all the negatives of a bad relationship as a way of feeling okay about not having had any proper relationships at all.

The truth is even the happiest relationship will force you to have to do things you don’t want to do. Some of the time. You don’t always want to have sex when they do - and vice versa, for example. Many married couples put up with things they don’t want just to keep the other person happy.
OP posts:
Strangevipers · 14/12/2021 12:44

Don't worry OP your warped view will 100 percent ensure that none will want to marry you.

If you want your child to be fatherless (immature and offensive to certain situations) but your choice then Make sure you use a sperm doner and not trick a man into getting you pregnant then refuse him contact with his child

Mamamamasaurus · 14/12/2021 12:53

Hundreds of replies and this is your only comeback?

Just out of interest, when you have a child (that sleeps through the night from birth, etc), do you assume you'll never do things you don't want to do? Poo, vomit, snot, tummy bugs, colds, to name a few.

TheHungriestMama · 14/12/2021 12:57

OP - just from your latest point, I've never ever ever had sex with DH when I don't want to!

Also, what about when you need a break. If you have a supportive family then cool, that's great, but if you have to do it alone and no break when you are very sick is really hard. Just have a read of some of the posts from single mothers on here who have no support and haven't had a break for years ....

Not saying it can't be great but I think a lot would agree it's a lot harder to be a single parent than a parent in a partnership with someone helpful , loving and effective

Porcupineintherough · 14/12/2021 12:58

There is no doubt that marriage - or any human relationship really - involves a series if compromises and sacrifices. And this is exactly the same for the relationship bw parent and child, except the sacrifices tend to be rather more 1 way and largely unacknowledged and often unappreciated. So if that bothers you, then motherhood is really, really not for you.

I do agree though that people should think carefully about the quality of their partner before either marrying or having a child with them. Because a useless partner is worse than no partner at all.

DrSbaitso · 14/12/2021 13:00

I could sleep how I want and feel rested and relaxed during baby stage

🤣

Do let us know how that works out for you!

LittleBoPeepHasLostHerShit · 14/12/2021 13:00

I could sleep how I want and feel rested and relaxed during baby stage

Sorry to break it to you, but there's no sleeping involved in the baby stage.

Amberflames · 14/12/2021 13:03

The truth is even the happiest relationship will force you to have to do things you don’t want to do. Some of the time

OP I really don’t think you should have children.

Twizbe · 14/12/2021 13:03

As a parent there's a lot you have to do that you don't want to. Many times you have to compromise to make the other one happy and until they are much older they don't return that compromise.

This morning on my mum friend what's app (mix of single mums and not) we were all having hard days with our toddlers. Mostly linked to not wanting to get dressed / leave house / go to childcare / generally do as asked

DrSbaitso · 14/12/2021 13:05

@Amberflames

The truth is even the happiest relationship will force you to have to do things you don’t want to do. Some of the time

OP I really don’t think you should have children.

And that's the other thing that caught my attention.

I agree with this. If you are this averse to making any compromises, even with someone you love and whose company you generally enjoy, having a child is a very bad idea. It's ok not to want kids.

RobinPenguins · 14/12/2021 13:07

The truth is even the happiest relationship will force you to have to do things you don’t want to do. Some of the time. You don’t always want to have sex when they do - and vice versa, for example. Many married couples put up with things they don’t want just to keep the other person happy.

If I don’t want to have sex and he does, we don’t have sex. If I do want to have sex and he doesn’t, we don’t have sex. But if either of us were single and wanted to have sex, unless we keep a harem of fuck buddies on call we probably wouldn’t be getting to have sex either.

As for potentially losing your identity, having someone else’s needs take priority over your own, having to do things on someone else’s terms….are you really sure you want a child?

Mufasa1118 · 14/12/2021 13:07

I agree with you OP

If you look back in history, marriage was invented by men to keep women as servants to men

Marriage is not natural and is not beneficial to women.

I'm astounded that more women don't see this and choose their own life instead.

Marriage was invented by men , so that a woman will serve the man.

Have your own life