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To not go out of my way to help an ex-work colleague whose actions led me to leave?

161 replies

RoseJam · 13/12/2021 13:54

Five years ago, I had a great job with a great company. I did well, got promoted and put on a flagship project. I was partnered up with a work colleague (different role to me) - who I found challenging as they didn't want to be on the project and was very resistant to change. The work colleague moaned and complained to higher management which led to my managers considering putting me on a performance plan. At the time work colleague realised the impacts of what he had done and told me he was sorry and felt bad as he didn't realise all his moaning could have potentially led to my dismissal. (Previous to this, I had been a top performer in the company and have always got on well with my work colleagues.) I ended up giving my notice shortly after and have gone on to much better things. I still keep in touch with my ex-work colleagues from that company and we have regular social meetups.

Last month the ex-work colleague was made redundant. He has had 18 months pay. He asked me for help getting a job, so I was happy to give general advice and recommend a few agencies and companies in our industry I knew who had vacancies. However, he has now asked me to contact the agents and the company I am currently working at and recommend him and put in a good word for him for doing the role that I currently do.

On one hand, I think it would be nice to help but he did a very different job to me and I don't know how transferable it would be to mine.

On the other hand, I cannot forget that his actions led to a very tough patch in my career. I would not have left otherwise. Although in hindsight, leaving turned out to be great careerwise for me.

AIBU - Yes - give him a recommendation regardless.
YANBU - No - you've done enough already.

OP posts:
Sally872 · 13/12/2021 15:52

So there is your answer. You don't normally so why would you go out of your way for someone you don't even rate?? If they were the nicest person on the planet you might be tempted as a kind act but even then shouldn't.

For this guy the only question you should have is how to say no. And be as rude, or diplomatic as you like or even just ignore him if you can't face saying no.

Chloemol · 13/12/2021 15:53

Yanbu

DrinkFeckArseBrick · 13/12/2021 15:55

Aside from the impact on you personally, do you really think you could recommend him anyway? He was resistant to change, made it obvious he didn't want to be on a project, and moaned about a colleague to the extent it affected their career. Unless he had and has amazing qualities that you've not mentioned that make up for all the above, I'd be wary about recommending him anyway

Itsalmostanaccessory · 13/12/2021 16:01

Are you sleeping with him or something?
Why the fuck are you trying to keep him happy and hell him out and for God's sake... recommend him for the job you're currently doing after he already pushed you out of another job?!?

Stoo being such a doormat. Stop being "nice." Stop being "kind."

What are you thinking? Just grow up.

Eleganz · 13/12/2021 16:03

"No" is a complete sentence.

I wouldn't have even helped him at all in the first place.

I've sadly worked with difficult shit stirrers like that bloke who cause loads of trouble if they don't like something and then are full of apologies and contrition after they have impacted others. No way would I be recommending someone like that.

Sadly our in modern managerial world we are some how expected to be successful at managing shitty behaviour no matter have disruptive and poor and so I can well imagine someone being put on performance management because they couldn't handle a highly disruptive colleague. I've been in situations myself where my managers have at times expected me to have magic wand that can to help them overcome crap behaviour of influential colleagues without them having to confront them about it themselves.

thatsallineed · 13/12/2021 16:09

he has now asked me to contact the agents and the company I am currently working at and recommend him and put in a good word for him for doing the role I currently do

He's a cuckoo. He wants you to tell your current employer that he is the ideal person to do your job???? Fuck that for a game of soldiers.

Ugzbugz · 13/12/2021 16:10

No way would I assist him, he totally fucked you over and imagine if he did again. Do not risk your career again for a whining fool.

tallduckandhandsome · 13/12/2021 16:14

Hell to the no.

Oblomov21 · 13/12/2021 16:14

Good God do not help any more. You've done more than enough already.

ivykaty44 · 13/12/2021 16:16

I would actually go as far as saying

actually your actions previously were the reason I left the last company and I would be very hesitant to be anything but neutral to any application you made

ivykaty44 · 13/12/2021 16:16

obviously don't put it in writing

Skeumorph · 13/12/2021 16:17

@RoseJam

Wow - thanks for all the messages!

I am a softie at heart and if ever I can help people I do. But there are times when it has backfired. I don't want to get burned again. I waivered about this as it's been 5 years since it happened, and it ended up leading to some great opportunities for me.

To those asking about personal recommendations and would I have recommended him otherwise - the answer is NO. I really don't ever recommend anyone in my business as I am a consultant now, and our industry is quite small, so a lot depends on word of mouth. I have an excellent reputation right now. Anyone I actually think is worth recommending is always employed anyway, are always inundated with offers, and will be known anyway in the industry.

Then I am so so astonished that this is even a question!

Honestly it's not even a case of recommending him, I'd be more focussed on letting the right people know that you DON'T recommend him.

Has it occurred to you that he probably sees you as a soft touch here? As in - he really shat on you, and in response you appeared to simply gracefully disappear and then carry on a 'friendship' of sorts with no comeback at all. He appears unpleasantly confident that he can ask you to put yourself on the line for him - in an industry where, as you've said above, that's quite a big deal.

He's bad news. You've done REALLY well to defuse the situation he put you in and move on to better things.

Be smart now - you need to. Shut this down and go AGAINST those 'softie' instincts and make sure that he can never get near you.

He may not be actively malicious, but he certainly isn't neutral and a person like this in your work circle is NEVER EVER a friend.

IWentAwayIStayedAway · 13/12/2021 16:19

That would be a no from me as well. CF of the highest order. Stay well clear.

GrumpyLivesInMyHouseNow · 13/12/2021 16:19

Yanbu the cheeky fucker, tell him to do it himself!

lovemelongtime · 13/12/2021 16:23

Sorry - I am a people pleaser but would definitely not be doing that

SummerWhisper · 13/12/2021 16:23

This entitled sociopath thinks you are a soft touch. He sabotaged your job and then told you he didn’t realise his actions were the cause of your effective demotion. He clearly enjoys ruining women's lives, so he's sniffing you out again. Although it could be a colleague this time, someone who may not bounce back and you would be responsiblefor that.

Important to remember: you are crediting him with your current success, rather than your previous downfall because you rose higher. Please untangle this and you will feel far less obliged to the twat.

UnsolicitedDickPic · 13/12/2021 16:24

I wouldn't consider it for a single second. What's stopping him coming in to your current workplace and undermining you in the same way? Complete CF.

WunWun · 13/12/2021 16:25

@Itsalmostanaccessory

Are you sleeping with him or something? Why the fuck are you trying to keep him happy and hell him out and for God's sake... recommend him for the job you're currently doing after he already pushed you out of another job?!?

Stoo being such a doormat. Stop being "nice." Stop being "kind."

What are you thinking? Just grow up.

What the fuck kind of response is this? Is she sleeping with him?! You should take your own unpleasant advice and grow up yourself.
XmasElf10 · 13/12/2021 16:26

I don’t refer anyone I wouldn’t want to work with… end of!

TheWeeDonkey · 13/12/2021 16:32

Stop being so nice. He caused you to leave the job you loved. Why do you want to help him?

ChiefStockingStuffer · 13/12/2021 16:32

Not only would I not do it, I would be quietly preparing your response if he applies to your company and gives them your name as a reference or you are asked about him anyway since you used to work together. This isn't uncommon in companies, so be prepared.

GinIronic · 13/12/2021 16:33

Anyone that is good at their job does not need a recommendation. They succeed on their own. CF.

Derbee · 13/12/2021 16:33

Why the hell are you even asking this question? Or considering helping him in any way shape or form?! ABSOLUTELY BLOODY NOT. EVER.

AwaAnBileYerHeid · 13/12/2021 16:40

Absolutely do not help him anymore, he is a snake! I'd in fact be putting in a bad word for him!

blueshoes · 13/12/2021 16:41

It is pretty unanimous on almost every level. I am surprised you are even asking.

Erm, you got to get your head checked out.

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