ok, i probably am, but the way new mothers do thing s now, and there attitude is really getting on my nerves.

[pukkapatch]

rant alert
te entire holier than thou attitude. huge genreralistaion, i know. but whats so speical about waiting till the baby is six months old before weaning that will garantee said mothers a direct ticket to heaven?
from what i recall, upping the age to six months didnt happen because of some amazing scintific breakthrough. no new data was used t o make the decision. (a mnetter showed the evidence of this on some thread.
and then the whole breast bottle thing. the ones spouting statistics at everyone, with their smug expressions. it doesnt matter. every mom does what she sees as best for her baby. we dont constantly need to have information shoved in our noses.

my eldest is ten, and youngest four, so i'm not that far away from these subjects, but, some peoples attitudes just really really get on my tits.

I have one massive point to make pukka, about one of your posts.
You say 'they have enough information given to them,'
You really think so????
They/we don't.
Which is why MN having all this information is good for people who havent made any decisions.

That doesn't get on my tits (the OP's beefs), but what does is how some new mums suddenly are transformed into childcare gurus overnight. Ooooh the withering look I got from a new mum of a baby who disapproved of my 3 year olds refusal to don his coat before leaving a restaurant at the weekend....and she had...what...all of 10 weeks parenting experience?!? (for crissakes)

Have some humility and recognise your L plates for heavens sake

VVV, I have to disagree. I think it is very common to see these kind of undertones.
Most threads get to the eventually end up with a post, where someone is accusing someone else of being ...
"judgemental"
"smug"
but we ....
read through it, post through it, don't we ?

Talking of 'L' plates, I have to say the 'smug' or 'judgemental' tones wrt breastfeeding/weaning are normally from new posters who don't know the reality of the situations as to why some people do fiferently to them.

i LOVE getting withering looks from brand new mums, it completely makes my day. although they may just be squinting to keep their wee sleep-deprived eyes open.

as regards the OP, i'm with VictorianSqualor, if there's so much good info out there how come there are 10,000 posts on here every day? i mean, i know some of them are selling stolen buggies but a lot of us seem to come here looking for, er, advice and information...

I dunno oblomov. I think people often see things in posts that arent there, regarding the tone of it, or the intention.

There is often a mention of "being made to feel" on such threads. I think, that it is very difficult to convey appropriate, up to date advice without some people taking it as a personal sleight on their parenting skills because they did different. I dont see a way around that, but, at the same time, that shouldnt mean that proper advice and support is given to other posters.

It is a bit of a minefield

'I mean, i know some of them are selling stolen buggies'

isnt given.....

About the way some posters are 'made to feel', I'd suggest they aren't completely happy with what they have done themselves and it's their own projection. Reading posts it is so easy to put your own interpretation on them.

we read through it, oblomov, because imo calling someone smug and judgemental on a website that is ALL about opinion is about as boring an old cliche as it's possible to trot out and says more about how the poster is feeling than the thread is saying. well, that and 'you're all bullying me, all i was doing was saying how shite MN...'.

must go and feed my formula-fed and BLWed two-year-old some salmon, noodles and edamame, back later. [twat]

I love the attitude on here. I think it IS about doing the best you can for your baby. Information, statistics, are a big part of that.

I suspect (might be flattering myself HUGELY here) this might be a teensy bit in response to a crappily worded post of mine.

Even if it isn't I think it's relevant.

MN has enlightened me beyond my wildest dreams (OK, beyond anything I could have expected from the HV's rushed visits and the handful of leaflets stuffed into my hands at the booking in appointment). MN has furnished me with both information and, crucially, the combined wisdom and experience of thousands of people who have already been here, where I am, right now.

Every single post, be it over-zealous, by-the-book rules or slack, out of date information and opinion, has helped me form my ideas about parenting. And that's what MN does best - help people make informed choices. More than we can say of the NHS.

Were it not for MN I wouldn't even be considering my parenting choices - I'd just be bumbling along.

I'd rather be in a position to have a holier than thou attitude than be ambling through my child's life in blissful but potentially harmful less beneficial ignorance.

yep that queen vic made me feel trapped in a room with her the other day wehile she lockied mars out and made her cry

and she made me change my name

ooh yes, handlemecarefully - I have 3 of 4 and under and I am always getting told what to do by the first time mother of a 6 month old around the corner.......

I am very about any post that criticises other people for sharing information.
You don't have to be interested in it, but how on earth can it be 'shoved up your noses' on a website where you have to actually click on a thread before you can read it?

How do you not.....hit / laugh in her silly face put her (gently) right?

I'd have to say something!

hmc, i think that post put what i wanted to say quite succintly.

sorry, had to go and have mental breakdown re ten year olds behaviour. he is outside in the garden right now in a tshirt andsocks, not shoes. it is minus two outside. something about not wanting to eat the chicken dinner. i knew i should have stuck to tesco frozen chicken nuggets. at least the little sod eats those. and stays out of the cold withthem.

if there was enough CORRECT information and SUPPORT, then there would not be a gazillion posts on mumsnet about breastfeeding, weaning, or whatever else mums want advice on. From OTHE R mums.

i have seen very, very little smuggery, if any about breastfeeding and weaning

i have seen plenty of concern and some outrage at very early weaning, crap breastfeeding advice and mums being made to worry due to INCORRECT advice from so called HCPS

YABU imo

there are so many testimonies to the power of mumsnet

threads such as

i could not have carried on breastfeeding for 6 mths/ 12 mths/ 2 years

i would not have had my homebirth/waterbirth/ VBAC

i stuck to my guns and didn;t wean at 17 weeks as my HV told me about the window of opportunity.. that does not exist

so you know, i thikn mumsnet is great!

meant, the chicken idnner i cooked from scratch..
can you hear the mother withthte ten week old tuting in the corner/?

taking care of children is blooody hard work. why do people get so caught oup on the easy stuff?

I tihnk that as long as we re careful with how we give information to people it isn't a problem. I love breastfeeding and would love nothing more than for every woman to ever have a child from now on to breastfeed, but it's not my place to tell people what they shoudl do, so all I can do is encourage them to find out as much as possible to make their own decisions and hope.

There are a lot of people on my antenatal thread that I know won't be bfing and a few that are thinking of trying it this time round, as long as I just give them the info they ask for then how is that shoving it up their noses?

and you do it well VS

whats so great about a homebirth? thats another thing i dont understan. sure if youwant to have one, fine, have one, but it doesnt mean youget a prize. if anything, unless everything goes perfectly well, you are endangering your life anthtat of your baby.
so sorry, i dont get the holier than thou attitude of homebirthers.

I'm not sure pukkapatch is criticising mumsnet though camilla!

but pukka people have different problems ..u never kno the whole thing just don't keep looking around and comparing live and let live and any other cliches i can thro in

chill hun

xx