ok, i probably am, but the way new mothers do thing s now, and there attitude is really getting on my nerves.

[pukkapatch]

rant alert
te entire holier than thou attitude. huge genreralistaion, i know. but whats so speical about waiting till the baby is six months old before weaning that will garantee said mothers a direct ticket to heaven?
from what i recall, upping the age to six months didnt happen because of some amazing scintific breakthrough. no new data was used t o make the decision. (a mnetter showed the evidence of this on some thread.
and then the whole breast bottle thing. the ones spouting statistics at everyone, with their smug expressions. it doesnt matter. every mom does what she sees as best for her baby. we dont constantly need to have information shoved in our noses.

my eldest is ten, and youngest four, so i'm not that far away from these subjects, but, some peoples attitudes just really really get on my tits.

but where is the frowning? (in your bloomin' imaginations...)

Absolutely wellie.

So you think it's a good idea for babies to drink crumbled crisps in their milk?

OK that's an extreme example. But so is saying, "My child didn't die so it must be ok to wean at 8/12/18 weeks,"

That's shortsighted.

Yes winky, because either a) they dont know any better, bless them. Or b) they do, but they've made an informed decision to ignore it. [sarcastic]

Yes winky, because either a) they dont know any better, bless them. Or b) they do, but they've made an informed decision to ignore it. [sarcastic]

I read years ago that a good reason against giving rusks in milk was that it prevented babies from working out what to do with their mouths in order to chew, if all their food was slopped down their throats from bottles. Or words to that effect. I was about 13 at the time (doing a child-care project back in the 80s) so they knew 20-odd years ago that this was a rubbish idea, never mind the known health risks now.

I think that you should say something if you can.

really? that is interesting... that's kinda along the lines of BLW thinking now with babies at 6 months. (well it's more 'if they can do it, just let them' but same kind of gist).

One of my Mum's friends was a HV/MW so I had a whole sheaf of info she lent me to leaf through which was an eye-opener to say the least .

It made sense to me though - it's why babies make funny sounds until they work out how to string them into words and then sentences. Learning how to eat is a skill that needs to be taught. How can you learn it from getting solid food mashed into a bottle? .

please...
stop making assumptions
wrong ones

pukka rocks

Who is making assumptions?

I just assume that if someone asks for help/advice/info, I tell them what I know or have heard to be good advice.

I would never dream of being offended if someone didn't take my advice as right for them.

Although crisps in formula worries me!

I just found all the advice really overwhelming and depending on who has read/done what contradictory. I think being a new mum is really hard. Even my MWs gave me opposing advice. DH and I would have all the baby books lined on the bed looking in the indexs at 4am panicing about stuff now that if we had relaxed a bit just seems obvious or not that important.
I also found it hard taking advice from my mil and mum because this was my baby iykwim and poor dh didn't know anything

thank ou paula!
hurdicure, of course they are from tiffany's.
only the best.

welliemom et all. please read the original post again. and look at what topic this is posted in before you go off on a tangent about how wonderful mn is.
of course mumsnet is wonderufl. why else would we all be here?

right, so it's just people who care about bfing, weaning or homebirths who you don't like, then? and people with only one child? but apart from that MNers are a-okay, right?

please read the original post, and comprehend it before posting.

pukka i've read the whole thread. i just disagree with you pretty much completely, that's all.

don't the laws of averages mean that there will always be some people in rl and on here who are smug about stuff? I think it has probably always been the case and on a forum where expression can be lacking, and interpretation is key, statements of fact can be interprated as smug when they are not intended to be.
I think it boils down to the type of person you are, there are always going to be people who do things differently, people who feel insecure and people who feel their way is the right way. Ultimately if you are secure in the decisions you have made as a parent noone can make you feel guilty and inadequate.

Thething about your main point though pukka, was that because you've had more children than someone they shouldn't tell you what to do. I don't see how the amountof children you may already have means sod all tbh.
A friend of mine has a ds about 2years older then my dd, doesn't mean I can't think she is flipping mental for feeding her baby bloody baby rice at 9weeks old and telling everyone that he is so 'forward' and 'grown up'. I may have come along to parenthood later than her but I have read up mroe about it, and not justt he guidelines but why the guidelines are there.

Also, think about it this way, someone is told really heavily by some form of health professional to do something, then they see someone else isn't, does their lack of experience change the fact that they are trying to help????

Experience and knowledge aren't interchangeable, in the ideal situation we'd have someone who had experience and knowledge to guide us through the pitholes.

Time for a break, I think.

Happy Christmas, all.

Great post Hunker

Pukka, as it happens I've read your OP very closely. What is it that Aitch and I haven't understood?

I must say, your sense of the wonderfulness of MN doesn't really come shining out of the OP, does it.

Hunker's right, merry Christmas all

pukka you are entitled to feel that way but to me it seems that you are given all the info, choose to do it your own way and take the piss at those who know better and try and follow the best available info.

It reminds me of the debate on nutrition for adults.you can stuff yourself if you want but you can't stop people telling you transfats are bad for you.
You can bottle feed but you can't stop people trying to convince you to breastfeed.

It's a DISCUSSION forum. If you've read the info and made up your mind, don't ask.

And in another 20 years our daughters will tell us how wrong we are!

i kind of know what you mean and i am a new mum, ds 7 weeks, but also want to say please don't generalise, i realy appreciate being able to get advice from all mums on here especially the ones of older kids as it's easy enough to follow all the rules exactly when you're a new mum and don't know what you're doing, but getting an older mums advice helps give you some perspective on things ie- that there is more than one way to do things and there's not necessarily just one correct way, sometimes you do need to have the experience of having been there before to give good advice and not just quote the latest info/stats ... was that just a load of rambling? hope you get what i mean - i look up to mothers who have been there before as guru's but think they should not look down on us for just trying to do our best with the info we have.

Experience is great but experience that goes in the face of research is silly.