To worry that I might lose my British citizenship one day because of the new law going through parliament?

[flashbac]

I was born here and so was one parent.

There is a Bill that has just been passed, while we were all distracted with shenanigans with parties and what not, that will allow citizenship to be revoked without notice.

I know the power to remove citizenship already exists but the without notice bit is quite scary. I assume that means someone could happily go about their business until they need to show right to be in the UK e.g new job or new rental and then poof, they can't access things and possibly get detained and then deported when they enquire about it and it's probably too late to contest it through the courts.

I know the responses will indicate how so many don't care, "don't do anything naughty then and they won't put you in the naughty bin ready to be turfed off to another land" but remember the right to protest, to give an example of how easy it will be to get on the wrong side of the authorities, will also be outlawed soon so anyone could be arrested, if the circumstances meant a person was driven to it, e.g you do a sit down protest outside a hospital because they covered up malpractice or, it's decided that a huge Amazon warehouse is built in the field behind your garden and you wanted to protest with your neighbours.

Lots of people will think this only affects 'foriners' so probably won't care. I think it's awful.

@goldfinchfan

Thye are can't take away citizenship from people without a right to live in another country......they cannot make people "stateless"

yet they have done

@goldfinchfan

Hysterical much?

we might need to eject terrorists and major organized crim gangs.

always I am reading what a shitty place this country is while at the same time we have an immense amount of people risking their lives to live here.

I get confused.

I'm from NI, I know the depths the British government will sink. You are far too naive and trusting @goldfinchfan.

@Iseeyoulookingatme

I've just read the Bill and unless you are a terrorist or planning on commiting war crimes or espionage then I think your unlikely to have your citizenship revoked.

Same. It’s for barring terrorists, those who support terrorism ( maybe by sending money to those fighting for Isis, Taliban etc) and probably big time criminals using UK to launder money. If you’re none of these, no need to worry.

I've just read the Bill and unless you are a terrorist or planning on commiting war crimes or espionage then I think your unlikely to have your citizenship revoked

This

Shocking it really is

KNEW they were trying to hide something with all that party bullshit.

Sorry you are going through all of this OP

How utterly shocking that there may be consequences for terrorists. Outageous that plotting to murder people should interfere with the human rights of the plotters.

OP Are you sure you are not in an On Line Early Stage Panic about something that will not happen?
The House of Lords will not pass this with it's present intent.
Shamira Begum has dual nationality. Who can blame Bangladesh for resisting taking her.
Relax it won't happen to you.

I hope this doesnt go through Lords. The potential for this to be misused seems high.

Johnson was born in the US.

Presumably when all of his misdemeanours finally catch up with him, we can have him sent back there…

Also, just to point out for the blissfully ignorant here. Saying "oh it won't affect anyone who isn't being a terrorist". As pp have said Windrush? British government/authority/laws don't have a great track record when given those options. Anti terrorism laws in the 70s and 80s meant it was perfectly legal to hold and torture people for a week rather than charge or release in 24 hours. You could be pulled in based purely on accent and nationality. "You've nothing to worry about unless you're committing a crime"? Catch yourself on.

Very strange situation for British people who happen to be born in Northern Ireland, or their children or grandchildren, as they will be entitled to Irish citizenship.

There must be some legal issue there, people who have been born in the UK with their ancestors going back generations and they can just be stripped of citizenship. I wonder if there is any backlash in NI?

It seems nothing to worry about unless you are a terrorist.

Chilling.

@Ghoulette

KNEW they were trying to hide something with all that party bullshit.

Sorry you are going through all of this OP

Is this comment for real.

@Wannakisstheteacher

ancientgran

For all the people who think it will never be a problem for them.

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

Yawn. Was waiting for one of these posts. Nope, not really anything like the Holocaust and the comparison makes you look deeply uneducated, ignorant and horribly offensive.

Yes because it always starts full on doesn't it? Oh no it doesn't actually, we are having our rights chipped away, this govt want to interfere in judicial decisions, they want to strip people of their citizenship, they illegally prorogued parliament. I'm not the one who looks uneducated, ignorant and horribly offensive.

I hope this bill passes tbh.

@TooBigForMyBoots

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.

It affects every British Jew as well.

Very true.

@fournonblondes

It seems nothing to worry about unless you are a terrorist.

Unless you are falsely accused of being a terrorist.

YABU. This is to keep the likes of Shamima Begum out, that is what they want to be able to do. Unless you're planning on becoming a terrorist you really don't have to worry. They just gave a gazillion people the right to remain. You're just catastrophising IMO and I say that as someone whose DH has dual citizenship and neither of whose parents were born here.

From the link on the first page (my bolding):

www.gov.uk/government/publications/nationality-and-borders-bill-deprivation-of-citizenship-factsheet/nationality-and-borders-bill-deprivation-of-citizenship-factsheet

1. Deprivation of citizenship on ‘conducive to the public good’ grounds is reserved for those who pose a threat to the UK or whose conduct involves very high harm, for example in response to activities such as those involving:

• national security including espionage and acts of terrorism
• unacceptable behaviour such as the ‘glorification’ of terrorism
• war crimes
• and serious and organised crime
[...]
The Home Secretary decides each case personally.
[...]

Words like "for example", "such as" and "including" are doing a lot of heavy lifting here. I don't see words like "limited to".

Anyone who has followed immigration issues over the years is aware of people who have been wrongly deported, with government agencies "mislaying" paperwork or just flat-out defying the law.

That's before considering the current No 10, which is happy to pull any lever that looks like a useful mechanism on the day – even to the point of unlawfully proroguing Parliament.

"Pose a threat to the UK" is very woolly, isn't it?

But that's OK. Priti Patel gets to decide.

If you’re none of these, no need to worry.
So you're happy to have two tier citizenship then? Some people have full citizenship that can't be revoked. Others (coincidentally of course, mainly non-white Brits) have a second-class citizenship which can be taken away without even telling them.

@taL45 that's incorrect. They gave 'a gazzilion' people a way to prove their rights, which they held already. They gave this free of charge after an outcry when the government tried to charge millions of EU citizens to simply prove their right to live here, which they were able to do for free before Brexit. This problem arose at a similar time to windrush which made people very nervous to not have proof that they can reside here. Hence the birth of 'settled status'.

@perkingfaintly this was the reasoning behind putting extinction rebellion on the extremism list 'posing a threat to the UK'. As annoying as they are, it's hardly isis.