To worry that I might lose my British citizenship one day because of the new law going through parliament?

[flashbac]

I was born here and so was one parent.

There is a Bill that has just been passed, while we were all distracted with shenanigans with parties and what not, that will allow citizenship to be revoked without notice.

I know the power to remove citizenship already exists but the without notice bit is quite scary. I assume that means someone could happily go about their business until they need to show right to be in the UK e.g new job or new rental and then poof, they can't access things and possibly get detained and then deported when they enquire about it and it's probably too late to contest it through the courts.

I know the responses will indicate how so many don't care, "don't do anything naughty then and they won't put you in the naughty bin ready to be turfed off to another land" but remember the right to protest, to give an example of how easy it will be to get on the wrong side of the authorities, will also be outlawed soon so anyone could be arrested, if the circumstances meant a person was driven to it, e.g you do a sit down protest outside a hospital because they covered up malpractice or, it's decided that a huge Amazon warehouse is built in the field behind your garden and you wanted to protest with your neighbours.

Lots of people will think this only affects 'foriners' so probably won't care. I think it's awful.

I had genuinely no idea about this before today. The government machine for hiding away enormous, important things like this is absolutely bloody terrifying.

@Newfrontdoor

I had genuinely no idea about this before today. The government machine for hiding away enormous, important things like this is absolutely bloody terrifying.

Yep. Three bloody awful Bills are going through at the moment. The NHS one, the police and crime one and the borders one. And it seems we can't do anything about it

Just so people know what you’re talking about, OP:

www.gov.uk/government/publications/nationality-and-borders-bill-deprivation-of-citizenship-factsheet/nationality-and-borders-bill-deprivation-of-citizenship-factsheet

[quote LiterallyKnowsBest]Just so people know what you’re talking about, OP:

www.gov.uk/government/publications/nationality-and-borders-bill-deprivation-of-citizenship-factsheet/nationality-and-borders-bill-deprivation-of-citizenship-factsheet[/quote]
Thanks @LiterallyKnowsBest.

OP I'm naturalised and I agree with you. We're effectively second class citizens now.
I'm boringly law-abiding generally but we're going in a direction where there may be things I wish to protest, right when they're criminalising that as well.

I wish the 20% who voted yabu would come and explain why.

I've just read the Bill and unless you are a terrorist or planning on commiting war crimes or espionage then I think your unlikely to have your citizenship revoked.

It is absolutely disgusting of our government.

Soon they’ll be using this law in all sorts of ways - the fact it has passed is appalling.

I worry that this will happen to me cos I work out of th country. So I can totally see them saying "oh you are foreign now. Because we say so."

@Iseeyoulookingatme

I've just read the Bill and unless you are a terrorist or planning on commiting war crimes or espionage then I think your unlikely to have your citizenship revoked.

I wish I had as much trust in them as you do.

Do you not know anything about the WINDRUSH generation sent back under dubious pretences?

I'm probably being a bit thick but where would they deport people to? Or is this just for people with dual nationality?

Wow. 30% now saying yabu. Even more depressing than I thought.

@Iseeyoulookingatme

I've just read the Bill and unless you are a terrorist or planning on commiting war crimes or espionage then I think your unlikely to have your citizenship revoked.

Problem is it’s a slippery slope. Years ago when the terrorism act was introduced people voice concerned about how severe/far reaching it was. They said it would only be used in specific circumstances involving terrorism so people thought ok. But there has definitely been cases of it been used for non terrorism cases to justify holding people for longer, etc. It’s also frequently used as a threat by the police to get people to comply. There’s a scary YouTube video of a French student taking photos in London who got arrested under the terrorism act. They told her to stop and she did but argued the toss with them so they arrested her.

@Iseeyoulookingatme

I've just read the Bill and unless you are a terrorist or planning on commiting war crimes or espionage then I think your unlikely to have your citizenship revoked.

Imagine your screen completely filled with tears of laughter emojis …

@flashbac

I wish the 20% who voted yabu would come and explain why.

I did because of the way you phrased your op. "Responses will show so many don't care". I voted in response to the fact you assume no-one cares. Present your argument, but don't presume what people think before you even get an answer.

@ancientgran

I'm probably being a bit thick but where would they deport people to? Or is this just for people with dual nationality?

I reckon they'll create a place somewhere to harbour these naughty 'foriners' who the government says can go somewhere else but really they can't.

Is this a way to deport Priti Patel? I mean... it might not be all bad.

@MrsPleasant I didn't say noone cares I said so many won't.

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Remove Clause 9 from the Nationality and Borders Bill
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Yep it’s grim, two of our dc were born overseas while I was working on a posting (still paying uk tax as working for a British company). Also their father is from the EU so double whammy.

It is a concern op and I understand why you are concerned. Having been born here, and a parent also born here, then you should be able to consider this your home where you can't be thrown out of the country. People make the assumption that you have to do something really serious, but this doesn't have to be the case. I know that what ever I do, I'm subject to the law and punishment from this country, but I can't be thrown out. It seems hugely unfair that someone in your position can be.

@ancientgran

I'm probably being a bit thick but where would they deport people to? Or is this just for people with dual nationality?

No, you wouldn’t have to hold dual nationality.

I’ve been listening to discussion about this elsewhere - and the possibility is that anyone, even in possession of full British citizenship, born and brought up here, never lived anywhere else, could lose their citizenship if they have a parent (maybe even a grandparent) who was not born here. Because they will, apparently, have the option of taking up citizenship in their forebear’s country of origin.

My family all have dual nationality but not for the same countries so we might end up very separated. My husband would be 3,500 miles away if we both had to go to our other country.

This is shocking.
And timed to he sneaked in.

I agree with pp that they’ll use it in a way that suits them rather them as they did with terrorism act.

@Iseeyoulookingatme

I've just read the Bill and unless you are a terrorist or planning on commiting war crimes or espionage then I think your unlikely to have your citizenship revoked.

Well the government have a history of using laws to punish the inconvenient. Look at Julian Assange being extradited for the terrible crime of ... journalism. Also, who says what a terrorist is? Climate campaigners and other peaceful people have been labelled terrorists by this government. If you wait til they come for you, it may be too late.