To worry that I might lose my British citizenship one day because of the new law going through parliament?

[flashbac]

I was born here and so was one parent.

There is a Bill that has just been passed, while we were all distracted with shenanigans with parties and what not, that will allow citizenship to be revoked without notice.

I know the power to remove citizenship already exists but the without notice bit is quite scary. I assume that means someone could happily go about their business until they need to show right to be in the UK e.g new job or new rental and then poof, they can't access things and possibly get detained and then deported when they enquire about it and it's probably too late to contest it through the courts.

I know the responses will indicate how so many don't care, "don't do anything naughty then and they won't put you in the naughty bin ready to be turfed off to another land" but remember the right to protest, to give an example of how easy it will be to get on the wrong side of the authorities, will also be outlawed soon so anyone could be arrested, if the circumstances meant a person was driven to it, e.g you do a sit down protest outside a hospital because they covered up malpractice or, it's decided that a huge Amazon warehouse is built in the field behind your garden and you wanted to protest with your neighbours.

Lots of people will think this only affects 'foriners' so probably won't care. I think it's awful.

@LostForIdeas - yes, you're right, forgot about this. I believe, there are also there's a difference with respect to the adoption - there are restrictions on naturalised citizens to pass their citizenship to adopted children (as opposed to biological).

Also, I think until very recently there also has been a difference between the situations where the father is British vs when the mother is British if parents were unmarried at the time of birth, but I think this one has been fixed.

@FanGirlX racist much??

I think @FanGirlX knows that @TooBigForMyBoots

I think they meant to be racist or provocative

Interestingly, there are a couple of countries in the world that quite legitimately (according to their own legislation) sell citizenship for quite a reasonable fee to everyone (starting from around 100K I think for Caribbean, from 3m-5m for a posher place like Austria).

In this case, every British citizen, even if their lineage comes strictly from King Arthur himself (and no one else) can be stripped of their citizenship as they would be entitled to those.

Strangely enough I don't think the people most likely to be screwed over by this kind of asshattery will have ready access to those kind of funds. (Not a dig at you personally just anyone saying ooooh they have options so they chose to get fucked over by doing a terrorism)

@Starcup it's not ME twisting anything! It's this govt!

@PlanktonsComputerWife thanks - I think?

You clearly haven't read or processed what people are saying.

I would agree with that summation

Ironic that Priti Patel could lose her own citizenship under these reforms.

She won't though will she? She seems to have a weird sort of self hatred about her! Certainly an apparent hatred of her own heritage! Which I find very odd

Is internalised xenophobia a thing? I can't think how else to describe her attitude and actions

@RuggerHug exactly and the Irish/northern Irish examples were not that long ago! GFA has only been in place since 1998 it and the troubles are still well within living history

Unfortunately, we do not have such country atm and the checks aren’t in place.

I'd agree with that we've an absolute shower of xenophobes in power!

Your citizenship rights can go back some way. For example my maternal grandparents were Irish so I am entitled Irish citizenship and so are my children l.

I've absolutely no intention right now and most likely ever of joining a terrorist organisation or any of the other things stipulated and hope my children will never feel the need ( because it means this country would have become hell on toast) ..but this is a very slippery slope

@TooBigForMyBoots
My family and many others were imprisoned, tortured, beaten and harassed for years by the British government using anti-terrorism legistlation and a 2 tier system for citizens
That's terrible 💐

@Viviennemary

Not this again. There is already a thread on it.

Fuck off and read something else then . There's a lot of us, me included, who are worried about it.

I’ve not seen another thread on this.
In any case more than one thread is allowed surely on such an important area.

I wonder what those other countries are supposed to do with British born and bred criminals.

@catsarepeople this is one of my biggest gripes with this. How presumptions of the British public to think they can just ship their broken lot to some other country like some kind of cleansing exercise. Even IF this would only ever be applied to the terrorists that 'blow people up', which is very wishful thinking, who are we to just ship these people off somewhere else when they were raised and brought up here? We've failed them, not the other country.

I’m sorry to interrupt but could somebody confirm something for me?

My grandfather was born, in 1915, in what is now Bangladesh. He became a naturalised British citizen in 1941 and married an English woman, lived and died here. I never met him.

Does that mean that I would be considered to be dual citizenship? It’s never something that has crossed my mind before, but reading this thread has brought it home a bit.

As many have said above, I’m a law abiding citizen, blah blah blah. However, given the protest bill as well… if I was ‘caught’ protesting, could I be considered for deportation to Bangladesh? I never even met my grandfather!

@AlohaMolly it depends on the laws of Bangladesh. Most likely yes though as history hints that the gov doesn't actually care if you 100% do have a claim, just that there is a chance.

I think I vaguely remember Bangladesh saying they wouldn’t take Shamima Begum, but that’s as far as my shamefully poor knowledge goes. What a shit show this country is.

@AlohaMolly

I’m sorry to interrupt but could somebody confirm something for me?

My grandfather was born, in 1915, in what is now Bangladesh. He became a naturalised British citizen in 1941 and married an English woman, lived and died here. I never met him.

Does that mean that I would be considered to be dual citizenship? It’s never something that has crossed my mind before, but reading this thread has brought it home a bit.

As many have said above, I’m a law abiding citizen, blah blah blah. However, given the protest bill as well… if I was ‘caught’ protesting, could I be considered for deportation to Bangladesh? I never even met my grandfather!

Yes, that means you could be kicked out.

Like millions of us, who are now considered not genuine citizens.

The problem for me is, I don't think my grandparents country would accept me either - I don't speak the language or know anything about the culture, have very little family there, no friends and it's a strict country...I don't think they would want a non-professional like me

Maybe I could be deported to Australia?

I came to the UK with my family when I was 6, studied hard and have a successful career (all of which I was always thankful for).

This bill does make me think why should I bother being British rather than an ex-pat?

I'm never going to be seen as fully British and this new bill makes me feel like a second class citizen.

It just makes me want to retrench to people of my birth nationality and not take part in British society. It feels counter-productive.

It is counterproductive. Two tier citizenship does not increase safety or peace, as seen in NI, SA, USA etc.

@gofigureit what would happen to you, then? I’m not particularly sure that Bangladesh would want me either! Never been, don’t speak the language, I do have a teaching degree…

[quote AlohaMolly]@gofigureit what would happen to you, then? I’m not particularly sure that Bangladesh would want me either! Never been, don’t speak the language, I do have a teaching degree…[/quote]
I have no idea!

I have considered this when Nigel Farage was at his height of power - what would he and his lot do with someone like me?
I guess I would be ok if I were able to take my monetary assets with me, ( money and equity that I have built up by working hard) that would buy me a place to live I guess.
Then it wouldn't be so bad....but I'm guessing that wouldn't be allowed.

Shame I'm not young and beautiful any longer - because that would have helped me moving to an alien land. (And get Daily Mail headlines)

I am mixed race (Mum is English through and through) so maybe I'd be chucked in the sea half-way between both sets of grandparents (all deceased) addresses?

@listsandbudgets

Your citizenship rights can go back some way. For example my maternal grandparents were Irish so I am entitled Irish citizenship and so are my children l.

I've absolutely no intention right now and most likely ever of joining a terrorist organisation or any of the other things stipulated and hope my children will never feel the need ( because it means this country would have become hell on toast) ..but this is a very slippery slope

Are you sure you children are? My parents were Irish, I have dual nationality and my children are entitled to it but my GC were born before I exercised my rights to Irish citizenship and my children never have so my GC don't have a right to Irish citizenship but if any more are born now I have my citizenship so they will be entitled to it.

So if your mother or you applied for Irish citizenship your children will be entitled to it, if not they won't be. Unless you or your mother were registered as an overseas birth I think.

That was what the literature said when I did it, 5 years ago so it might have changed.

I wonder what happens if you are adopted? Would you have the same rights as a child born in the family?