To worry that I might lose my British citizenship one day because of the new law going through parliament?

[flashbac]

I was born here and so was one parent.

There is a Bill that has just been passed, while we were all distracted with shenanigans with parties and what not, that will allow citizenship to be revoked without notice.

I know the power to remove citizenship already exists but the without notice bit is quite scary. I assume that means someone could happily go about their business until they need to show right to be in the UK e.g new job or new rental and then poof, they can't access things and possibly get detained and then deported when they enquire about it and it's probably too late to contest it through the courts.

I know the responses will indicate how so many don't care, "don't do anything naughty then and they won't put you in the naughty bin ready to be turfed off to another land" but remember the right to protest, to give an example of how easy it will be to get on the wrong side of the authorities, will also be outlawed soon so anyone could be arrested, if the circumstances meant a person was driven to it, e.g you do a sit down protest outside a hospital because they covered up malpractice or, it's decided that a huge Amazon warehouse is built in the field behind your garden and you wanted to protest with your neighbours.

Lots of people will think this only affects 'foriners' so probably won't care. I think it's awful.

@TooBigForMyBoots

It is counterproductive. Two tier citizenship does not increase safety or peace, as seen in NI, SA, USA etc.

Exactly. It makes me think if the UK have fucked me over then I may as well stop being a good citizen.

I certainly wouldn’t help the British government in any way now.

Fuck them.

Having read all the concerns on here I've changed my mind on this and take back my previous post - I was wrong. It sounds as though this Act could have dreadful consequences in the future and I now understand why so many people are worried. It sounds like the the door is being wedged very slightly open.

@ancientgran, whether you can get a citizenship from grand parents will depend a lot of the countries I imagine.
Just like some will accept dual citizenship whereas others don’t.

Yes. IME a fair few people reading this thread will have another citizenship without knowing it, conferred on them by foreign legislation automatically at birth

[quote LostForIdeas]@ancientgran, whether you can get a citizenship from grand parents will depend a lot of the countries I imagine.
Just like some will accept dual citizenship whereas others don’t.[/quote]
Of course but I was responding to a post that was specifically about Irish citizenship for great grandchildren and when I applied that couldn't happen unless the parents or grandparents had exercised their right to Irish citizenship. So it was specific not general about any country.

@PlanktonsComputerWife

Yes. IME a fair few people reading this thread will have another citizenship without knowing it, conferred on them by foreign legislation automatically at birth

Well, the Home Office don't like dual nationals, do they? To them, its a security risk. That is what this is about.

After Brexit, there's lots of this kind of thinking, to place the requirement for Britishness into the law. Whatever that is, but mostly it seems to be about saying you have to be resident, you have to able to show that you are "British" first and disclaim other nationality. The current Conservative Party are very keen on this - they won't drop it.

When my country is bringing in a special wee law that doesn't apply to all British citizens, just "certain" citizens like me, I am not renouncing my dual citizenship.

That would be madness.

An awful lot of countries will not allow dual - citizenship my parent lost his right to citizenship in his country of birth when he moved here married my mother and applied for British citizenship.

This 'citizenship' is now not worth the paper and ink it's written on. But I'm putting it in a secure place as one day the government might come after myself, my siblings and our children as we are mixed race and only half-English (born here) but also now not considered proper citizens.

Windrush was terrifying and I doubt this policy is going to end well for people like me

Here we go. An example of a British man being deprived of his citizenship even though he had no right to Bangladeshi citizenship. He was 'lucky' that he got notice so he has been fighting it since then. The new law means he wouldn't know until he gets to the airport.

[ QUOTE] The plans have prompted warnings that ethnic minorities could be treated differently from white Britons for committing the same crime.

“Being left stateless and not knowing why I was suddenly stripped of my citizenship had an extremely adverse impact on my mental health. It was the most depressing period of my life,” said E3.

“Being British is a fundamental part of my identity, but it really feels like you need more than just being born and raised in the UK to really be considered one. Having an ethnic background relegates you to being a second-class citizen,” he added.

Fahad Ansari, his lawyer at Duncan Lewis, said: “My client lost five years of his life because of the unlawful decision of the home secretary that lacked any prior judicial oversight.”[/ QUOTE]

www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jan/16/british-man-made-stateless-by-home-office-has-citizenship-reinstated

I just stumbled on that article and was going to post it here. Sobering really.

There was a Guardian article about a man who went on holiday to his family’s country and he got his revoked. He says he didn’t do anything wrong and they don’t have to tell you why they’re doing it, either.

Does everyone here know about the Fixated Threat law? They can hold people in mental institution and force medicate if you have a fixation with a celebrity or Royal Family member. They’ve done this to people, too.

@AutomaticMoon I think being able to hospitalise someone going through a psychotic episode or a stalker is a bit different to this. It is very scary when you're at the receiving end of that.
I'm not sure why you're comparing the two in all honesty.