To worry that I might lose my British citizenship one day because of the new law going through parliament?

[flashbac]

I was born here and so was one parent.

There is a Bill that has just been passed, while we were all distracted with shenanigans with parties and what not, that will allow citizenship to be revoked without notice.

I know the power to remove citizenship already exists but the without notice bit is quite scary. I assume that means someone could happily go about their business until they need to show right to be in the UK e.g new job or new rental and then poof, they can't access things and possibly get detained and then deported when they enquire about it and it's probably too late to contest it through the courts.

I know the responses will indicate how so many don't care, "don't do anything naughty then and they won't put you in the naughty bin ready to be turfed off to another land" but remember the right to protest, to give an example of how easy it will be to get on the wrong side of the authorities, will also be outlawed soon so anyone could be arrested, if the circumstances meant a person was driven to it, e.g you do a sit down protest outside a hospital because they covered up malpractice or, it's decided that a huge Amazon warehouse is built in the field behind your garden and you wanted to protest with your neighbours.

Lots of people will think this only affects 'foriners' so probably won't care. I think it's awful.

What's the NHS one?

I think the scariest time to find out would be if your citizenship was stripped while you were out the country. Could you imagine going on a package deal to Benidorm and then being told you couldn’t come home to the U.K.? Where would you go at that immediate moment?

I think it's terrifying. I'm half South African. My mother was born there and came here aged 9 as a refugee and stayed. I was born here and my father was British but I've just checked the South African regulations around citizenship. Turns out I can be considered a citizen of South Africa just because my parent was born there so the British govt could, in theory turf me out, and according to the Bill they wouldn't have to inform me until I tried to come into the UK from somewhere. This means i could pop over to France for a standard business meeting for a day (post covid) and be denied entry on my way back and deported to South Africa without any recourse. Whilst everyone is shouting about the cheese and wine parties there is far worse going on.

Yes, I’m fully aware of all of that, BritWifeInUSA (both personally and otherwise), but I have absolutely no reason not to believe that this government would happily twist things for their own pleasure.

Both parents born abroad, although I will have to check how it might affect me, due to various things (also hold duel citzernship) but it is a worry.

On the plus side other country is very warm and not rainy, so there is that.

Petition here

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/601583

@Ace56

Oh for goodness sake. This is being blown out of proportion. As PP have said, you’d need to commit a pretty serious crime in order for this to even be remotely considered, and even then it is heavily debated/brought to court/fought against etc (e.g. Shamima Begum). You’re not just going to be walking around Tesco, living a normal life, and have your citizenship stripped away from you.

That's what all the Windrush victims thought...

Many arrived as British subjects yet were still deported, threatened with being deported or found they couldn't support themselves due to Home Office harassment even when they had been to Court more than once.

This particular British government cannot be trusted.

@TipseyTorvey

I think it's terrifying. I'm half South African. My mother was born there and came here aged 9 as a refugee and stayed. I was born here and my father was British but I've just checked the South African regulations around citizenship. Turns out I can be considered a citizen of South Africa just because my parent was born there so the British govt could, in theory turf me out, and according to the Bill they wouldn't have to inform me until I tried to come into the UK from somewhere. This means i could pop over to France for a standard business meeting for a day (post covid) and be denied entry on my way back and deported to South Africa without any recourse. Whilst everyone is shouting about the cheese and wine parties there is far worse going on.

Did your father apply for British citizenship for you? I’m no expert but I would have thought you’d not have it taken away as the child of a British citizen… presuming you were one before he died.

Or is this also the sort of thing people are talking about?

I did because of the way you phrased your op. "Responses will show so many don't care".
I voted in response to the fact you assume no-one cares. Present your argument, but don't presume what people think before you even get an answer

you win pomposity & sanctimonious award 2021!.

They are saying if your have parents/grandparents who have come to the UK from other countries, they will send you there.

They can only do that (legally) if you have dual nationality based on that ancestry. For example, if you have an Irish parent then you're an Irish citizen, whether you realise it or not, and regardless of whether you've ever set foot in Ireland.

People who say it won't apply to ordinary folk, they're all small steps to the same destination.

Honestly though, this is what people voted for. Some harsh action against diversity and a return to our great empire!

People who insist we have 'no viable opposition' are simply tory apologists in disguise - as anyone ought to be aware, THIS government and the past 11 years of utter ruin and misconduct illustrate exactly WHO is unviable. I would honestly vote for any other party (bar BNP etc) to get these fucks out.

I’ve signed the petition now. Thanks for the link.

Dh is foreign. Dd was born here and dual nationality. I am British born and bred etc. But we all are dual due to Brexshit. Dd was entitled to dual citizenship but dh and I had to pay wads of money to get dual. This has me concerned now for us. Far more concerned for others though.

@BritWifeInUSA I understand but the point is, many many thousands have dual citizenship even though they have no ties to the other country. The shocking part of the bill is that if you haven't got dual citizenship but are potentially eligible for one, eg through grandparents, they can wipe their hands clean of you and not even tell you.
The most worrying part of this though is the unclear and ever changing reasons someone can be stripped of this, and the fact they will have no idea.
Revoking the dual citizenship won't even make a difference.

@MurielSpriggs but does that make it right? If two kids are born here, brought up as neighbours, pay and work taxes, both have British citizenship commit the same crime, but one has a grandma in Ireland. One will have the right to go to prison here and stay a citizen, the other can be deported and stripped of their citizenship even though they have absolutely no ties to Ireland, no idea how to live there or where to start. How is this fair?

I voted YABU for using the word "foriner". If you want people to take your post seriously don't use stupid words.

@Ace56

Oh for goodness sake. This is being blown out of proportion. As PP have said, you’d need to commit a pretty serious crime in order for this to even be remotely considered, and even then it is heavily debated/brought to court/fought against etc (e.g. Shamima Begum). You’re not just going to be walking around Tesco, living a normal life, and have your citizenship stripped away from you.

Whatever the crime, once considered British one should be subject to the judicial system of the country they're in. Not shipped off elsewhere just because their parents came from there. Kinda means they weren't truly British in the first place. Windrush showed that you didn't need to commit a crime for the govt to take away citizenship. It's a callous, racist system. You don't have to worry if you're Caucasian British. You're afforded the blasé views to have. Do you see?

YANBU @flashbac. Its terrifying and the "it won't be a problem for me" posts are equally terrifying.

[quote Meadowbreeze]@MurielSpriggs but does that make it right? If two kids are born here, brought up as neighbours, pay and work taxes, both have British citizenship commit the same crime, but one has a grandma in Ireland. One will have the right to go to prison here and stay a citizen, the other can be deported and stripped of their citizenship even though they have absolutely no ties to Ireland, no idea how to live there or where to start. How is this fair?[/quote]
I only said it was legal, not fair!

I'm in the process of taking advantage of my Irish citizenship to apply for a passport, and once I have it in my hand I can't wait to ritually shred my British one! I'm thoroughly embarrassed by this country.

Not this again. There is already a thread on it.

@Iseeyoulookingatme

I've just read the Bill and unless you are a terrorist or planning on commiting war crimes or espionage then I think your unlikely to have your citizenship revoked.

Yay because the Home Office isn’t known to make mistakes aren’t they? They have never sent people ‘back home’ when actually they were wrong and were proven wrong (once said people where in that so called safe home country…) Windrush didn’t happen ever either did it?

Talk about either being tone death or really having no idea how the British government has treated ‘immigrants’ in the last 10~15 years.

@Viviennemary

Not this again. There is already a thread on it.

Oh look it's disgraceful privilege talking again.

@FrownsAndDimples what does Caucasian British have to do with it? There was a table in one of the articles on this, the second biggest nationality effected is Polish. Majority of them are Caucasian British if they have dual nationality.

@Ace56

Oh for goodness sake. This is being blown out of proportion. As PP have said, you’d need to commit a pretty serious crime in order for this to even be remotely considered, and even then it is heavily debated/brought to court/fought against etc (e.g. Shamima Begum). You’re not just going to be walking around Tesco, living a normal life, and have your citizenship stripped away from you.

This

Talk about hysterical posts. Just behave yourself and you’ll be fine! Unless you’re a terrorist I wouldn’t worry

Where would they deport someone born in the U.K.? They wouldn't have citizenship anywhere else either...