To worry that I might lose my British citizenship one day because of the new law going through parliament?

[flashbac]

I was born here and so was one parent.

There is a Bill that has just been passed, while we were all distracted with shenanigans with parties and what not, that will allow citizenship to be revoked without notice.

I know the power to remove citizenship already exists but the without notice bit is quite scary. I assume that means someone could happily go about their business until they need to show right to be in the UK e.g new job or new rental and then poof, they can't access things and possibly get detained and then deported when they enquire about it and it's probably too late to contest it through the courts.

I know the responses will indicate how so many don't care, "don't do anything naughty then and they won't put you in the naughty bin ready to be turfed off to another land" but remember the right to protest, to give an example of how easy it will be to get on the wrong side of the authorities, will also be outlawed soon so anyone could be arrested, if the circumstances meant a person was driven to it, e.g you do a sit down protest outside a hospital because they covered up malpractice or, it's decided that a huge Amazon warehouse is built in the field behind your garden and you wanted to protest with your neighbours.

Lots of people will think this only affects 'foriners' so probably won't care. I think it's awful.

@Graphista

That wouldn’t happen though

Already did/is!! - windrush! Among other examples

@Starcup but all of your posts DO indicate you have a poor understanding of recent history on such matters

I’m second tier myself so all the bull shight doesn’t wash does it, when it could affect me as equally as much as the next person.

And regarding the other post, your interpretation isn’t what was implied. Of the second tier Brits (myself including) only those that committed the most serious crimes will be affected by the new.

Twist that all you want but any reasonable person able to read will take it with the intent in which it’s clearly meant.

You have been never 2nd Tier @Starcup🙄, if you had, you would understand why history is important and why a 2 tier system of citizenship can be a very dangerous thing.

@TooBigForMyBoots

You have been never 2nd Tier *@Starcup*🙄, if you had, you would understand why history is important and why a 2 tier system of citizenship can be a very dangerous thing.

Ok then, I’ve made a mistake my grandparents weren’t Irish…. Silly me….

Starcup, my child's Irish grandparents didn't stop this government refusing her a passport till legal action was threatened, or forcing her apart from her British-born parent for about a year.

Please don't close your eyes to the excellent points made by Graphista, because you didn't like one poster's tone.

Thanks for bringing this to my attention OP. Definitely some distracting stories in the press lately. This could be serious for a family member of mine too. Appreciate the heads up.

The attitude and lack of understanding starcup means you sounding more and more like an American going "I'm Irish too, my great-grandmother was an O'Flaherty, did you know her?". You clearly haven't read or processed what people are saying.

@PlanktonsComputerWife

Please don't close your eyes to the excellent points made by Graphista, because you didn't like one poster's tone.

I take your point on board because your posts aren’t disrespectful. I’m sorry to hear about your DD

@RuggerHug

The attitude and lack of understanding starcup means you sounding more and more like an American going "I'm Irish too, my great-grandmother was an O'Flaherty, did you know her?". You clearly haven't read or processed what people are saying.

Your point makes no sense.

You can’t it doesn’t potentially affect me, in exactly the same way it affects anyone on here. Having Irish grandparents clearly does put me in ‘tier 2’

Well if your Tier Two @Starcup, I highly recommend you brush up on your recent British history and stop advocating a policy that makes you a lesser citizen than your neighbours.

Why did they decide to get this bill going ahead I wonder? Timing seems odd

I'm so glad my mum gave up her Guyanese citizenship when she naturalised in the 1980s. Scary times. Ironic that Priti Patel could lose her own citizenship under these reforms.

I'll try once more starcup and if you don't understand after this then I'll leave you to your crayons and stop trying. Bringing this in saying there's nothing to worry about unless you're a terrorist is bloody dangerous. You've had it explained that when they had similar before it was used to bring in Irish people to torture and imprison because "Irish=terrorist". No proof needed. Now, no one is saying they'll come for you because of your Irish grandparent but the same behaviour will be demonstrated by pricks with power protected by the law. It shouldn't happen to ANYONE, the Irish example is evidence if what happened before and will happen again. It is wrong.

@Starcup in a well regulated country and with all the checks in place, I would agree with you that such law would only apply to terrorists.

Unfortunately, we do not have such country atm and the checks aren’t in place.

The legislation the way it is written is woolly to say the least. It’s leaving the door wide open to interpretations, from interventions of the HO and very general statements that are not specified and can end up meaning anything, offences wise.
The same has been happening with the law on protest and their definition, the fact Extinction Rebellion has been classified/treated as a terrorist group etc….
The very fact such measure can be taken WITHOUT TELLING THE PERSON is the thing that makes this law so different.

And that’s one point you have being skirting around. How is it ok to have a system where someone can be accused, judged and condemned of something without ever been told they were accused in the first place? How can that be done whilst protecting basic freedoms and fairness?

@BorlandRd

I'm so glad my mum gave up her Guyanese citizenship when she naturalised in the 1980s. Scary times. Ironic that Priti Patel could lose her own citizenship under these reforms.

Would that protect you? My parents did the same in 90s.

@Rummikub As she was a British not a Guyanese citizen at the time of my birth I have no right to Guyanese citizenship, so I would have thought so, but who knows!

@MaxNormal

OP I'm naturalised and I agree with you. We're effectively second class citizens now. I'm boringly law-abiding generally but we're going in a direction where there may be things I wish to protest, right when they're criminalising that as well.

I am naturalised as well but kept my original birth citizenship.

I am the opinion that if a country is not interested in their citizens I am not interest in staying here. We still have strong ties to our birth country and only took UK citizenship because of Brexit. I am happy to go back if necessary. We actually said we made a mistake and only decided to stay as DD is in secondary education and it would be a disaster for her to go.

@Iseeyoulookingatme

I've just read the Bill and unless you are a terrorist or planning on commiting war crimes or espionage then I think your unlikely to have your citizenship revoked.

Or a tax dispute or late payment, or even high points on the driving license really, the bill is quite woolly in places. Which was sufficient before to not grant citizenship in the first place as evidence of "bad character".

I think YABU. We should be able to revoke citizenship of serious criminals.

By the way, this norm is not necessarily something out of the ordinary.
In Ireland, for example, naturalised citizens never get full rights of the born citizens. I see a reason for this (as a foreign person) but really really would like the wording of the law to be crystal clear.

It should not be possible to revoke the citizenship of single nationals. I doubt that another country would give citizenship to a terrorist - why would they - and no country should make someone stateless. You clear up your own mess.
That's a separate issue from the obvious point that the government will use this legislation to get rid of people on minor pretexts. They've done it with people who have the right to live in the UK and have committed no crime whatever.

@roarfeckingroarr

I think YABU. We should be able to revoke citizenship of serious criminals.

How far back would you go? Someone born here and their parents Overseas?

@forinborin

By the way, this norm is not necessarily something out of the ordinary. In Ireland, for example, naturalised citizens never get full rights of the born citizens. I see a reason for this (as a foreign person) but really really would like the wording of the law to be crystal clear.

In some ways, it’s already the case in the U.K. that there are different levels of citizenship.

A child born abroad from British parents will not be able to give their British citizenship to their child if that child is born abroad and they can get another citizenship.

I’ve always been at the idea that, in law, there are already two tiers of British citizens.