To think the anti-lockdown brigade have been proved right?

[Libertaire]

We were told that if we all got vaccinated life would return to normal, and that process would be ‘cautious but irreversible’. So we complied. I am triple-jabbed and extremely grateful for the work of the brilliant scientists who made this possible.

Yet now, we are heading inexorably back into another lockdown. The fear mongering is being ratcheted up day by day. If this was ever about public health, it cannot be now because everyone who is vulnerable to covid has been offered at least two doses of vaccine.

We surrendered our freedoms willingly, to protect ourselves and one another and because we believed that we would get them back. But that isn’t happening, is it? An authoritarian government has confiscated them permanently and we will never get them back until we take them back, which is what anti-lockdown campaigners said from the start. They have been proved right, haven’t they?

We still have 5 millions unvaccinated - that’s both, volnurable and antivaxers. That’s still a lot of potentials needing hospital beds. If we go into lockdown, that’s to relieve strain on NHS. Thank you, antivaxxerss.

@pianolessons1

Is that what you really believe? If 95% were vaccinated, then we’d have restriction because not enough people had had their 3rd, 4th and 5th jabs.

There’s a known correlation between anti-vaxxers and lower education levels and that’s extremely evident on this thread.

The vaccines have saved tens of thousands of lives in the UK alone as clearly demonstrated by these charts. Even the very thickest on this thread should be able to see that.

@Nancydrawn

They are now about a government which, having been surprised by the extent of public compliance, is determined to entrench its power by maintaining them indefinitely.

What fucking power?!?!

What government sits around loving the idea of tanking the economy or riling up the population or making people miserable?

To what end? What do you really think they want? What do you think it gets them? Do you think that Boris is gaining more popularity because of restrictions? Do you think that if he could possibly avoid it, he wouldn't?

What is the conspiracy, is my question.

(If you mean about restricting political protests or stripping people of citizenship, we can have a conversation. But keeping people out of pubs or having them wear masks in supermarkets? What does that actually give them?)

These are exactly the questions I'm interested in seeing answers to. I've asked similar on previous similar threads a while ago and got no real answers (other than "control" and "power") Maybe we'll get some this time.

We didn't even have vaccinations a year ago. I dread to think what things would be like without them.

I swear some people won’t be happy until we’re all locked in our houses again with nothing better to do than grass the neighbours up for any perceived infraction of the rules

@whatdoidonowffs

I swear some people won’t be happy until we’re all locked in our houses again with nothing better to do than grass the neighbours up for any perceived infraction of the rules

That's ridiculous. Who on earth would want that?

I'm not calling it all a conspiracy theory. You can certainly object to lockdown (not that this is a lockdown) without being a conspiracy theorist.

But when you start saying things like, "They are now about a government which, having been surprised by the extent of public compliance, is determined to entrench its power by maintaining them indefinitely. Fear is being used as a method of controlling a vaccinated population," then you are getting into conspiracy bollocks.

[quote Wide]@MerrilyFcked if you research you will see funeral parlour numbers and deaths never went up,how bizarre! Maybe that's becausr the same amount of people died of usual things it just went down as covid or people died from another illness and they had covid at the same time.

I feel sorry for people having the jab to get back to normality when the piss is being completely taken[/quote]
By 'research' I take it you mean YouTube 🙄

It has never been clearer that the education system has failed so many.

@ChateauMargaux

The vaccine does recude transmission, by more than 50%. And hospitalisation by 98%. And death by 95%. If the UK had continued with the daily death rate you had pre-vaccine, you guys would be looking into 500,000 deaths and counting by now.

The protection lasting 3-6 months only does not depend on the vaccine, but on the fact that humans cannot develop any longer immunity for coronaviruses. For the common cold (another coronavirus) natural immunity lasts only 3-4 months. People have had covid more than once for the same reason.

This is what happens when someone who has no idea of immunology or virology tries to analyse complex data which need that knowledge to be understood.

@Libertaire

Fear is being used as a method of controlling a vaccinated population. This only ends when WE say it ends.

Yeah, cos Covid will just fuck right off and leave us alone if 'WE say it ends', won't it?

It's not the unvaccinateds fault about the restrictions!!! People who choose not to have the jab are making the choice about themselves and only putting themselves at 'risk', if the so called vaccine was so good people who had it would be 'protected' from these weird unvaccinated species,you can still catch covid from one jabbed person to another

And yes, it is predominantly due to the unvaccinated.
Vaccinated and unvaccinated have the same peak viral load, that is true, but what the conspiracy nuts fail to add is that a vaccinated person clears the virus WAY faster. Doesn't give the virus time to mutate and create these variations. Transmission rates are higher in the unvaccinated. So if you are part of the problem, just own it and stop making shit up to justify your stance.
Lack of education is not an excuse to spread misinformation.

[quote SofiaMichelle]@Libertaire

Fear is being used as a method of controlling a vaccinated population. This only ends when WE say it ends.

Yeah, cos Covid will just fuck right off and leave us alone if 'WE say it ends', won't it?[/quote]
No. But it isn't going to fuck right off and leave us alone no matter what we do, and I feel much of the population has not quite accepted that. Everybody could get vaccinated tomorrow - it will still exist. Everybody could wear FFP3s round Tesco until 2051 - it will still exist. It isn't just going to go away, whether we are good or bad, whether we follow restrictions or don't.

So either:

• we have restrictions in place forever, or:
• we accept that at some point, even though covid is still out there and still making some people ill and still killing some people, we don't deal with it that way any more.

I don't think we'll have restrictions in place forever, but I'm not sure how we move on to that second one when so many people are so convinced that if we just did xyz covid would have gone away already.

@Lostinacloud

100%. Nothing to do with the tiny amount of the population not yet vaccinated, always the plan. Nice to see more people realising it, shame to see some people still aren’t but their time will come too. It will just take a further step to make them see. Let’s hope it isn’t too late by then and nobody can get their true freedom back.

agreed

Fear is being used as a method of controlling a vaccinated population. This only ends when WE say it ends.

Wtaf ARE you on about ??!!

Not sure if there is any right or wrong but people who cough and sneeze without washing their hands after and those who appear to have an aversion to opening window annoy me!

Fear is being used as a method of controlling a vaccinated population. This only ends when WE say it ends.

This is really starting to grate on me. The Gov are controlling us for what purpose?

those who appear to have an aversion to opening window

In December?

@Boood

We’re not in a lockdown, stop being so dramatic. It’s no wonder people get crippled by anxiety.

This.

They will not lock us down, people simply won't adhere.

They're reimplementing measures that other countries have never lifted. Think BOJO would really attempt a third lockdown before Christmas in the wake of the latest shit storm?

Everyone calm down.

mayormaynothavehadaparty

Those posters can never tell you who 'they' are or what the 'plan' is - thick as shit all of them

What restriction on your freedom? Wearing a mask?

@aurynne What about natural immunity?

yes we were right and those conspiricy theorists that everyone labeled nuts are getting proved right about all the other things they said were going to happen as well , except they got laughed at then .

they are most definatley ramping it up towards another lockdown , all the panic and doom mongering is already starting and look how obediantly people obey their orders as well , masks mandatory again in shops and transport , so everyone that had stopped wearing one meekly complies with it ,

i wont comply with any of it anymore , im not going back to wearing a mask and if theres a lockdown again i will be going out when i feel like it and seeing who i want to . i had my vaccines they can get shafted at this point now

Fear is being used as a method of controlling a vaccinated population. This only ends when WE say it end

Do you have to actually train to be this stupid? as I really cannot fathom how someone can believe this. It’s a hugely impressive level of stupidity.

@GoldenOmber pick any month of the year! It may just be where I live.