To think the anti-lockdown brigade have been proved right?

[Libertaire]

We were told that if we all got vaccinated life would return to normal, and that process would be ‘cautious but irreversible’. So we complied. I am triple-jabbed and extremely grateful for the work of the brilliant scientists who made this possible.

Yet now, we are heading inexorably back into another lockdown. The fear mongering is being ratcheted up day by day. If this was ever about public health, it cannot be now because everyone who is vulnerable to covid has been offered at least two doses of vaccine.

We surrendered our freedoms willingly, to protect ourselves and one another and because we believed that we would get them back. But that isn’t happening, is it? An authoritarian government has confiscated them permanently and we will never get them back until we take them back, which is what anti-lockdown campaigners said from the start. They have been proved right, haven’t they?

Yanbu. Time to get on with life. The virus has a tiny mortality rate, it's ridiculous to restrict healthy people. It makes sense for the vulnerable to isolate, no one else.

@TortolaParadise

Not sure if there is any right or wrong but people who cough and sneeze without washing their hands after and those who appear to have an aversion to opening window annoy me!

im afraid i do have aversions to windows being opened at the moment as its fucking freezing outside , esp on the bus , when some muppet normally has not just the one , but every single one open , if your on public transport and that worried about covid there is the option of a taxi so everyone else doesnt get hypothermia

wow @aurynne you have continued with the 'you are too stupid to understand' narrative. Most of us are not stupid. We have a right to make informed decisions.

The windows are not just about during cold weather I have noticed it over a long period of time.

@chaosrabbitland

yes we were right and those conspiricy theorists that everyone labeled nuts are getting proved right about all the other things they said were going to happen as well , except they got laughed at then .

they are most definatley ramping it up towards another lockdown , all the panic and doom mongering is already starting and look how obediantly people obey their orders as well , masks mandatory again in shops and transport , so everyone that had stopped wearing one meekly complies with it ,

i wont comply with any of it anymore , im not going back to wearing a mask and if theres a lockdown again i will be going out when i feel like it and seeing who i want to . i had my vaccines they can get shafted at this point now

Barely literate incoherent gibberish there. Mouth breathers hate masks.

The vaccines have helped. We have a new variant and this one has mutations on the bits the vaccines trained our bodies to recognise. This may mean the vaccines need adjusting to cope. Mutations like this are less likely to happen if we vaccinate, take sensible precautions like wearing masks and distancing. It’s a marathon, not a sprint - to win we have to be relentlessly patient and committed to defeating it.

So bored of reading the vaccines don’t work.

This vaccine wasnt made for the delta variant yet is still working for serious illness. It does work on some immunity and reduces some transmission especially early weeks after having it.

With how high cases we have and the mixing we have the deaths and hospital cases would be horrific without the vaccine. With all of the restrictions last year, distancing, masks, a recent month lockdown, hospitality closed this time last year we had several full wards for covid. We had extended icu beds including in theatre.

While we have a steady stream of covid patients, it’s currently manageable and covid patient icu numbers are single figures. People aren’t coming in as a sick as they were last year. They don’t need lengthy stays and some can now be monitored at home. Less are dying. Treatments and the understanding of it helps too. If the vaccines didn’t work at all we wouldn’t be in this position. It would be worse than ever.

My trust have worked unbelievably hard and utilised community services and private beds to work through backlogs and waiting lists.

if your on public transport and that worried about covid there is the option of a taxi so everyone else doesnt get hypothermia

I'm sure you see why this actually makes no sense. See:
'If you're on public transport and that worried about hypothermia there is the option of a taxi so everyone else doesn't get covid'

Don't the signs on buses say to have windows open? They do here. Obviously if anyone on public transport could afford taxis everywhere, they would use them often I'm sure.

You can wear an extra few layers, people can can wear masks, and maybe a few windows can be open. How about everyone compromises and is nice to each other a little.

@chaosrabbitland just to let you know that the whole world is struggling with covid and increasing local restrictions as a reaction to omicron . To think we are unique or that the whole thing is a conspiracy is silly.
No country or gov want to shut their economy down or lose billions every day because of covid.
We are in a middle of a crisis. The pandemic is not over and done.
Let’s hope that this variant does prove to be significantly milder.

We need to push back against lockdowns and these endless restrictions.

The virus is not going anywhere, lockdowns don't work & there will always be another variant.

Either the vaccines work (and therefore lockdowns are not necessary) against various variants or they don't (and therefore vaccine passports are pointless).

Suggesting you go into hiding every time a new variant appear simply would mean this will never end...

The majority of people survive the virus. No one so far has died because of Omicron and people are showing milder symptoms. So what the hell is going on?

I have so far followed the rule and had all 3 vaccines but this is the end for me. I will not comply further as it seems all sense of logic has disappeared. This collective madness has to stop.

Agreed, OP - but why the fuck didn't everyone see this in March 2020? MN deleted an anti-lockdown thread which I started, on the grounds that it was an unpopular opinion. So even MNHQ was censoring the whole debate.

Why have people been so happy to let us get into this state? Because they like their lovely little comfy WFH lives, or have been paid to stay at home?

Yes, I am angry about this.

@ChateauMargaux

wow *@aurynne* you have continued with the 'you are too stupid to understand' narrative. Most of us are not stupid. We have a right to make informed decisions.

What qualifications do you have that lead you to the conclusion that you understand more than the literally thousands of scientists who have helped develop the vaccines?

I have a PhD but not in a biological science so I am not qualified to “do my own research” but I am thankful to those that do have proper qualifications to actually do proper research as well those implementing the strict testing protocols. I will rely on them.

Antivaxxers are stupid. But they are too stupid to realise they are stupid. Hence thinking a random opinion on twitter or YouTube is as valid as peer-reviewed science.

[quote sst1234]@pianolessons1

Is that what you really believe? If 95% were vaccinated, then we’d have restriction because not enough people had had their 3rd, 4th and 5th jabs.[/quote]
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[quote sst1234]@pianolessons1

Is that what you really believe? If 95% were vaccinated, then we’d have restriction because not enough people had had their 3rd, 4th and 5th jabs.[/quote]
This.

Why is there an issue about how many jabs people have? I don't get it!

@RonaLisa

Agreed, OP - but why the fuck didn't everyone see this in March 2020? MN deleted an anti-lockdown thread which I started, on the grounds that it was an unpopular opinion. So even MNHQ was censoring the whole debate.

Why have people been so happy to let us get into this state? Because they like their lovely little comfy WFH lives, or have been paid to stay at home?

Yes, I am angry about this.

What do you imagine will happen to healthcare systems and supply chains if Omicron is allowed to spread unfettered?

It has a doubling rate of less than 3 days and hospitalisations in SA are increasing accordingly. There is not enough data yet to conclude it's milder than Delta. Deaths lag infection by at least 3 weeks.

It's not a lockdown now. Any bets on what he'll announce on the 17th?
Don't care anyway. I'm triple jabbed so is nearly everyone else I care about so I won't be changing my Christmas plans.
I can't work from home nor can my husband. If Boris thinks it's safe enough for us to go out to work he can fuck right off that I'll avoid my family again (for months on end).

We're not in lockdown. They have brought in some precautions to try and do everything possible to avoid lockdown.

This winter was always, always going to be a "watch, wait, hold your breath and hope for the best".

I don't see a lockdown imminently, possibly more restrictions in January / February when the NHS will be at its most squeezed, but even then I'd be very surprised if we have another full blown lockdown and schools closing. Once we're into March I think we'll be starting on the road to a proper recovery, and we'll be able to put the last two years into the chronicles of history, because I think each mutation of Covid will become nothing more tiresome than unpleasant cold. disclaimer I am not a virologist just optimistic!

Not a lockdown yet but... I think defintely heading that way. And next winter, and next winter and rinse, repeat
Time to say "no"

98 per cent need to be vaccinated to end it according to WHO, and that's worldwide.

Yawn

Also there are barely any restrictions in place in the UK compared to other countries!

@LizzieSiddal ‘Johnson said’, ‘National conversation’ 😂😂😂

What happened to the Nightingale Wards? Are they not in use for the army of unvaccinated who are crowding out hospitals?? Fucking bollox.

No operations or normal health service running for nearly a year and a half and people wonder why there are operations being cancelled?

It's not because I haven't had a vaccine.

I think there's a lot of naive people on this thread. I would be gobsmacked if ther isn't a lockdown over Christmas. Surely everyone's memories aren't that short.

This is the timeline of the Covid pandemic beginning December 1st in 2020:

1st December - 'no plans for a Covid passport' once a vaccine becomes available
2nd December - Pfizer vaccine approved
4th December - vaccine will be ready to go into care homes within two weeks
9th December - those with allergies warned not to take vaccine due to allergic reactions
11th December - isolation period reduced slightly when travelling back from abroad
12th and 13th of December - whispers from scientists on how the relaxation of rules could be a disaster
16th December - certain areas placed into Tier 3. Boris still maintains that restrictions will be relaxed over the 5 day period.
19th December - parts of England are placed into Tier 4. Christmas bubbles are scrapped for Tier 4 and in the rest of England are now limited to Christmas Day.
23rd December - more areas will be moved up to Tier 4 on Boxing Day
26th December - Tier 4 restrictions and lockdowns for Wales and Northern Ireland, level 4 restrictions in Scotland.

Can we please all realise how quickly the government went back on promises over the course of December alone? It took an entire 3 days for Boris to wipe the relaxion period off the map. That's absolutely nothing.

Currently, it's only the 8th of December. This time last year everything was good to go at this point. A huge amount can change in a very short space of time.

I wouldn't be counting any chickens until it's Christmas Eve evening, personally. Then, yes, if a lockdown doesn't happen I will be more than happy to be proved wrong. Until then, though, I would plan two versions of Christmas and be very open to plans crashing down.

I am not trying to bring anyone down by saying this. However, I spent most of last year with my hopes up and had them continually dashed. It is wise to take a step back and realise that there is a very likely chance, especially with a new variant, that they will pull the plug on gatherings over Christmas once again.

In Melbourne you can't even go into a charity shop or take your kid to a public library without showing your vaccine passport. And our premier has said that the booster will be added to the passport - mandatory for work and access to the vast majority of public spaces.

The chip doesn't need to be in the vaccine, it's in your phone, via your digital vaccine passport. Governments need to know your every move - for your safety, of course.

At some point, even the most ardent supporter of 'the measures' might want to exercise some autonomy, and say no. What happens when your virtuous green tick turns to a big red cross?

Those who warn of what is coming are always mocked as 'conspiracy theorists', but then when the program ends up being rolled out exactly as predicted, those doing the mocking have been indoctrinated into supporting the very thing they thought was utterly preposterous. And so on.

It's a fascinating phenomena to observe, but rather depressing.