To think the anti-lockdown brigade have been proved right?

[Libertaire]

We were told that if we all got vaccinated life would return to normal, and that process would be ‘cautious but irreversible’. So we complied. I am triple-jabbed and extremely grateful for the work of the brilliant scientists who made this possible.

Yet now, we are heading inexorably back into another lockdown. The fear mongering is being ratcheted up day by day. If this was ever about public health, it cannot be now because everyone who is vulnerable to covid has been offered at least two doses of vaccine.

We surrendered our freedoms willingly, to protect ourselves and one another and because we believed that we would get them back. But that isn’t happening, is it? An authoritarian government has confiscated them permanently and we will never get them back until we take them back, which is what anti-lockdown campaigners said from the start. They have been proved right, haven’t they?

Drama llama! My heads spinning and non of it is to do with official statements from the government . Just the bullshit I keep reading that people are making up: stop the world I wanna get off

@Wide

It's not the unvaccinateds fault about the restrictions!!! People who choose not to have the jab are making the choice about themselves and only putting themselves at 'risk', if the so called vaccine was so good people who had it would be 'protected' from these weird unvaccinated species,you can still catch covid from one jabbed person to another. Stop blaming the unvaccinated if you think your jab is so good,you had the jab so if that's good be confident in it and stop blaming others for spreading something you can still bloody catch! So yes OP I agree the anti lockdown people are right and more fool people for having the wool pulled over their eyes,getting 3 jabs and for what??

It's the unvaccinated that are occupying most of the Covid ICU beds and causing the cancellation of surgery that requires an ICU bed.

@Floraflower3, yes, yes, yes. Get the vaccine, and the second, and the booster, and be part of the solution --- not the problem.

How do you propose the country should act? What is reasonable and what is not when it comes to risking people’s lives? I for one will be following any advice. I haven’t enjoyed any of what we have had to do, but I’m grateful to have not been badly affected health wise or anyone I know closely. Others have been less fortunate despite measures taken.

People who choose not to have the jab are making the choice about themselves and only putting themselves at 'risk',

Nope, try again. They are putting others at risk.

if you research you will see funeral parlour numbers and deaths never went up,how bizarre!

Er, what?

"Since the start of July, almost 13,000 more deaths have been registered in England and Wales than the average for the same period in 2015-19. The week ending September 24 saw 1,420 excess deaths. These numbers are small compared with the darkest days of the first wave when excess deaths in the two nations exceeded 11,000 a week, but they are still substantial. Perhaps the most striking thing about recent mortality data is that only around half of these excess deaths have been directly from COVID.*

What are your sources?

@Scautish

Disagree. Not enough people vaccinated. Too many twats who think they know better than scientists. So because of them we’re back in a fucking lockdown.

Also - it’s a fucking virus and it’s just doing what viruses do. It’s quite hard to build legislation around them (though this government have been spectacularly incompetent)

How is Israel doing, with one of the highest vaccination rates in the world?

@LizzieSiddal

Ithrnonoy reason we are having to ace Plan B is because people aren’t getting vaccinated.

Johnson did say once they know if vaccines will work ok with this variant, there will have to be a National conversation about what will happen next.

The only reason we are heading into plan b is because Johnson needs to distract people from the many screw ups and scandals his party are up to their bloody necks in.

@Sally872 There was NEVER a law about "1hr of exercise per day" - Michael Gove saying it on a random TV interview does not make anything law.

People who choose not to have the jab are making the choice about themselves and only putting themselves at 'risk'

Untrue. When they catch the virus and become ill they go and clog up hospital beds, meaning life-saving surgeries for other things get pushed back because there are no beds for those people.

It has always been the case that you needed certain vaccines for certain countries. That’s not a new concept.

You sound like you work for the ministry of truth. They can't leave to go to any country because they can't board a plane. That is a new concept. It's never been the case that people have been unable to leave or even travel within their own countries due to not having a particular vaccine. It's gaslighting to compare this to the small number of countries who require other well tested and sterilizing vaccines which induce lifelong immunity.

Yes, if anyone is still willing to accept restrictions, more fool them. There will be mass civil disobedience and people will, rightly, defy this ridiculousness.

I'm not surrendering any freedoms the only huge thing I Csnt do is easily travel abroad. I could risk it just dh and I etc but not with dc.

Do you also think that hospitals, the fire brigade and health and safety obligations also make no sense?

But it's not comparable is it? Tell me the negative effects that hospitals, the fire brigade and safety obligations have on people's lives?

The steps required to keep us 'safe' from covid cause massive, massive harm to peoples jobs, education, social development, opportunities and life chances and mental health. It requires a lot more balance. Because actually, the vast majority of people who catch covid, particularly if they are vaccinated (which should always be a personal choice and not a mandate) will be absolutely fine. They cannot keep reintroducing restrictions forevermore which do cause harm to a large number of people and the harms will just increase each time it happens.

The first reply on this thread insulted the OP as 'irredeemably naive or thick' for considering the suggestion that the roadmap out of covid would be irreversible. Boris actually alluded to the fact tonight that we cannot keep responding with restrictions whenever a variant pops up or things get worse again with the virus- I can't remember his exact wording but he made a reference to a 'national conversation' about it or something similarly worded. So I actually think those who imagine that this will be a repeated response to every new variant are actually quite naive. The government know that people won't do it forever and that it isn't sustainable. It just remains to be seen at what point they are open about it- my guess is next spring.

@Rummikub

It’s not another lockdown though.

Yet

@Lockheart

that process would be ‘cautious but irreversible’.

If you ever truly believed that then you're either irredeemably thick or naive. Pick one. Even a child should know that viruses don't act according to the rules made by politicians.

I agree. No-one seriously believed that Boris could guarantee no more lockdowns, did they? He was talking bollocks. Like usual.

Oh I remember it well OP.

'It's just until the vaccines'

'Just until the vulnerable are vaccinated'

'Just until all adults are vaccinated, surely you can hold on til then'

'Just another two weeks'

All turned out to be hokum. The only way we move on from this is if people stop complying. I, for one, am done.

I really don't think as a country we can afford to lockdown again.

Well done, you missed the point entirely.

How?

Guessing from your response you didn't actually give a shit about ODA cuts anyway but I'm not surprised. Virtue signalling is obviously far more important.

Global digital id was always going to happen anyway though right? The world is globalised, the world is digital now. They didn't need a virus to make that happen.

Being flippant here, but in which universe do deaths not happen? Most of the deaths in my world in the last year have been elderly and expected/predictable, or middle-aged and sudden and most have been heart attacks in 50-something men. And some have been people who went into hospital and contracted infections.

@Wide... how can you be so useless that even a simple Google search seems to be out of your reach? Almost every single country in the World has had massive excess deaths during the covid pandemic. A lot more people have died, even more than the "official" death rate from COVID, which indicates covid deaths have been, if anything, underrated.

Most of these data are collected, not by government, but by universities and independent organisations in hundreds of different countries.

Honestly, your ignorance is astounding.

All these people rushing to correct OP that we’re in lockdown. Don’t worry, you will be soon. But then you’re probably also the type that enjoyed lockdown at home either on furlough, or baking cakes with the kids or watching Netflix. While millions suffered through not being able to get face to face services, losing out on an education, losing their businesses, watching their mental health drain away. But hey it’s not a lockdown, is it? Yet.

Yawn

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