Will Johnson be gone before Christmas or after?

[Sarahlou63]

I'm thinking the 1922 committee grandees will run out of patience fairly soon. So will Johnson stand aside to be a better parent before Christmas or will he continue to drag his party into the shit into 2022?

YABU - hangs on for grim death

YANBU - Who the fuck is Johnson?

He's like Trump. If you're an honest person in the public eye caught out on one lie or one bad thing it's newsworthy. If you just lie all the time like Trump or Johnson it just becomes background noise - carpet bombing falsehoods gives no time for any kind of scrutiny or calling to account. There will be yet more bullshit about something different tomorrow and the christmas party thing will be lost in the new noise.

It's psychopathic in my opinion - lying with such ease and so frequently. Imagine living with someone like that. Black is white and up is down. I think there's a word for that.

Boris is a laugh, innee? I think the joke is wearing thin now, especially with other European leaders. However, the people who love Boris probably don’t care what other European leaders think.

He's not going anywhere. He's done worse and is still here.

@ElectraBlue

He is toast. The leaks (such as the Allegra video) are coming from inside government now and the press is turning against him.

I think that behind the scene there are some real worries about his behaviour/state of mind. The knives are out and he won't last much longer.

I agree. The Tory Party are notorious for ousting leaders when they become a liability.

The 80 seat majority won’t necessarily protect him. Remember what happened to Thatcher when she had a 102 seat majority.

I'll never vote tory but I think this latest 'scandal' is a whipped up storm in a teacup. I couldn't care less about parties, wallpaper or sight tests. I think any population expecting its elected officials of any stripe to be made of a higher grade of personal morality than the voting public is on a hiding to nothing.

The SNP had to sack a very respected NHS lady early on in the pandemic for walking across a golf course. Sturgeon and friends get caught maskless pretty often, it's boring and a silly diversion to focus endlessly on catching people out.

Are people broadly happy with how the country is being run is the question posed by and fptp general election, and at present the nation would vote decisively for the Conservative party, regardless of who behaved correctly and when.

But if/when he goes who’s next at no.10?

The deeply unintelligent Dominic Raab
Faux aristocratic Jacob
The pleasant and caring Priti
The weird and annoying Michael
The insincere Grant
Shagger Hancock
Whining Gavin
Mad Nad
Dr Evil Sajid
George yes man Useless

Thing is - and I know I’ll get shot for harping back to Brexit🙈 - but he’s been at lying waste of space since the beginning and there’s always been plenty of evidence to prove it….how can people have been so blind to it till now??!!

@MorrisZapp it is different from Boris' personal life. If Allegra or Boris or gove had a christmas party, I don't think the anger would be so great. After all, politicians are human and they also share their homes with other people- it could easily be spun as 'Carrie wanted the party' just like how it was 'Carrie who wanted the wallpaper'.

The party was at a place of work- Downing Street. People expect to be disciplined if they broke the rules at work.

Surely everyone who voted for him must know he's a self serving, incompetent liar, they can't all be naïve enough not to have seen that yet they voted him in with a bloody great majority.

It's weird. But I can't see him going anywhere soon.

@sst1234

Hopefully before. He’s beyond useless and incompetent.

I agree completely, @sst1234 - sadly I think he will cling onto power for as long as he can. I suspect that pressure from the 1922 committee would not be enough to get him to quit - I think they'd have to hold a vote of no confidence.

I do think that, if conclusive proof emerges, of the party at No 10 last Christmas, that, and the lies he has repeatedly told about it over recent days, would be enough to trigger a vote of no confidence.

Cons is made up of differing views. Labour is worse at this and often has infighting but Cons is a spectrum too.

Which way would it shift if Johnson went? Further to the right.. maybe

I don’t know numbers

@sparkleystuff well spotted! I did miss out Peppa but mostly because I thought it unfair to associate the delightful Ms Pig with that duplicitous pratfall aka the rolling haystack (tumbleweed?). Anyway, I’m sure that she’s already got at least a mild dose of coulrophobia and is keeping well away 😉

Cant stand him or his party but hes like teflon!

@SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius

But the Tory Party can vote him out if there’s a leadership challenge. That’s how Thatcher was forced out, there was no vote of confidence then.

Of course, she did resign after the first vote. Very likely, Johnson wouldn’t.

Does anyone care about whether there was a party or not.

A lot of other people had parties and met up with other people.
This is news because something bigger hasn’t happened and it is easy reporting. Just wheel out an outraged medic each day and there’s several minutes of news programming filled.
Whilst we might have adhered to lockdown 1 rules by Christmas I don’t think many people were still abiding by anything judging by the traffic and people who were out even though all the shops were closed

I can only see those who have not left their house since March 2020 and those who really enjoy staying in abiding by anymore lockdowns

[quote madroid]@Cheerbear24

It's not gaslighting, it's lying. Pure deceit. Big shiny whoppers. Utterly two-faced.

Boris Johnson will go down in history as the most dishonest and deceptive PM we've ever had. #Boristheliar[/quote]
It is gaslighting because all the while he's lying through his teeth, he's pretending that he's not and that he's actually a honourable and upstanding man and that we've all got it wrong.

@Sloth66

Given so many people trot out the “Labour Would Be Even Worse “argument, I’d guess he’s safe. I am embarrassed and disgusted at what passes for government in this country.

I'm embarrassed and disgusted at what passes for government AND opposition in this country.

I'm ashamed of Boris Johnson in every cell of my body. Whenever I look at him I just ask myself, "How?"

@thinkingaboutLangCleg

I don’t care about [Starmer’s] blandness. Just to have someone with intelligence, who thinks before they speak and has an ounce of integrity will do fine for me. I have no idea why Starmer has been deemed unelectable.

I would agree, except that Starmer has given in to the gender self-ID policy, which the Labour Party is totally committed to. LibDems and Greens are the same.

Gender self-ID would abolish all women’s single-sex spaces and services. Not just toilets and changing rooms but also clinics, hospital wards, rape crisis centres etc would be open to any man who wants to stroll in. I am more frightened of that than of another Tory government.

I know a lot of these things have already been done by stealth. But once they are written into law, we’ll never get them back.

Hear hear!

I have no party left to vote for.

@thinkingaboutLangCleg @MamDancer - Completely agree.

At the moment the only option is to support organisations like Fair Play For Women, and Sex Matters. Write letters to MP's, and keep writing. Otherwise our rights will be abolished. Women have to make this an issue. Labour needs to listen.

As for Boris - once the polls start to show a consistent Labour lead he's toast. He's a complete loose canon and a liability (but then so was Trump and he's still hanging around).

@Kennykenkencat

Does anyone care about whether there was a party or not.

A lot of other people had parties and met up with other people.
This is news because something bigger hasn’t happened and it is easy reporting. Just wheel out an outraged medic each day and there’s several minutes of news programming filled.
Whilst we might have adhered to lockdown 1 rules by Christmas I don’t think many people were still abiding by anything judging by the traffic and people who were out even though all the shops were closed

I can only see those who have not left their house since March 2020 and those who really enjoy staying in abiding by anymore lockdowns

All those who couldn't spend one last Christmas with a love one.

All those who couldn't see a dying love one in hospital/care home.

All those treating and caring for those who died on their own.

All those who couldn't have the wedding they dreamed off.

All those who lost their livelihoods over Covid restrictions.

All those who miss out with their education.

etc.

And the fact they rubbed all our faces in it.

@Kennykenkencat

Does anyone care about whether there was a party or not.

A lot of other people had parties and met up with other people.
This is news because something bigger hasn’t happened and it is easy reporting. Just wheel out an outraged medic each day and there’s several minutes of news programming filled.
Whilst we might have adhered to lockdown 1 rules by Christmas I don’t think many people were still abiding by anything judging by the traffic and people who were out even though all the shops were closed

I can only see those who have not left their house since March 2020 and those who really enjoy staying in abiding by anymore lockdowns

Yes I care! I care even though my Xmas wasn’t particularly impacted last yr (small bubble of a family) but the audacity to make the public scared and limit our lives, our children’s education, businesses, small companies that lost their best months trade- and that bunch of tossers not only break their rules but laugh at us for following them!

Hypocrisy matters. And they are literally laughing at us.

It makes a mockery of lockdown, which they imposed.

It also matters because of the sheer number of Covid deaths last winter. There were over 500 deaths taking place on that day when this party took place.

I am a Tory but did not vote for this shower.

I do think this will be the end of Boris and probably before Christmas.

The Downing Street press office is entirely under his purview so the party itself cannot be blamed on civil servants.

I don't actually care about the party but the joking on the video is hard evidence of how the machine holds the general public in complete contempt and also how lacking they are in discipline. This would not have happened under Alistair Campbell.

It's highly likely that the video maker has other material to put into the public domain and that the Mirror/ITV has it.

There will not be a General Election but there will be one for Tory leader. Liz Truss is my bet for the winner.

I left the because of the f*ing Tories and Brexit. So glad I did. You can say Boris is toast (he must be at some stage) but they are all of the same bloody ilk (well, some are more stupid that others, but all are wicked).