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Will Johnson be gone before Christmas or after?
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Sarahlou63 · 07/12/2021 22:38

I'm thinking the 1922 committee grandees will run out of patience fairly soon. So will Johnson stand aside to be a better parent before Christmas or will he continue to drag his party into the shit into 2022?

YABU - hangs on for grim death

YANBU - Who the fuck is Johnson?

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Am I being unreasonable?

AIBU

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Tanith · 08/12/2021 09:23

"Allegra Stratton left Downing Street back in April."

Yes, isn't it interesting that she and Gavin Williamson seem to be pushed forward as the scapegoats?

It makes me wonder what this furore (disgraceful as their behaviour has been) is covering up... What is going on that they don't want us to notice?

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IpanemaPeaHen · 08/12/2021 09:23

Agree with previous posters, he will be there until he negatively affects the Conservative party enough that they will dispose of him. He’s not even that popular with party members (poll November 21) and they will be ruthless.

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Sloth66 · 08/12/2021 09:26

I’d hope it’s now got to the stage where regardless of political affiliations, people would agree that corruption in public life has gone too far, and we need to have integrity in leaders.
But instead, it’ll be comments along the line of “ Blair was worse” .
I’d rather ask how our political system has delivered us to the situation we are now in.

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FreedomFaith · 08/12/2021 09:28

Public opinion absolutely has shifted against him and has done for sometime, it's an absolute nonsense to think that he continues to be a popular figure nothing could be further from the truth

Not sure it has to be honest. If they held an election right now, Johnson would still win. That's hardly losing public support.

He might not be that liked, but he's popular enough to win a vote.

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Franklin12 · 08/12/2021 09:29

Poetry - are you joking? Labour are awful. There were many people on here just before the last GE stating that Labour would walk it if Starmer was in charge. Well that worked out well.

Milliband was useless when he was in charge and hasnt he just been demoted?

Until Labour get rid of gob on a stick, I was a single mother at 16, Deputy and start to agree that women need safe spaces they are finished. They just moan and moan. They need another Tony Blair if they want any chance of winning but the Labour Party see him as the devil (even though he won 3 GE with huge majorities). Instead they put Corybn and McDonnell in charge and were slaughted in the GE. Who is thick as mince now?

Having said that if there was a party going on whilst the rest of us was in lockdown they need to be held to account. That video is shameful. Its nothing to laugh at. Its a Gordon Brown moment. Never assume that a microphone is turned off or that you are not being filmed when you are rehearsing.

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Poetrypatty · 08/12/2021 09:29

He's a lot less popular within his own party now than he was at say the Barnard Castle fiasco. He's made a lot of enemies.

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Viviennemary · 08/12/2021 09:32

He'll probably resign in the next few months. Pressures of a young family. All these night wakings and nappy changes. Hmm

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Poetrypatty · 08/12/2021 09:33

I think Labour's recent move to the centre has been wise and if I look at the shadow cabinet -v- the current cabinet then it's no contest for me, Labour are far better. I accept that others will disagree of course.

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IntermittentParps · 08/12/2021 09:34

They need another Tony Blair if they want any chance of winning but the Labour Party see him as the devil (even though he won 3 GE with huge majorities). Instead they put Corybn and McDonnell in charge and were slaughted in the GE. Who is thick as mince now?
Totally agree. I have friends who I can't say this to in RL, but I would have New Labour back in a heartbeat. I never had a problem with them or with Blair.

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Poetrypatty · 08/12/2021 09:34

Sorry, that was to Franklin12

He'll probably resign in the next few months. Pressures of a young family. All these night wakings and nappy changes. hmm

Yes his next baby must be due soon. I wonder if his wife has forgiven him for the dreadful 'buyers remorse' comments?

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AdaptAdapt · 08/12/2021 09:37

So you want Boris Johnson out, but who do you want in?
Starmer - really?
Rayner - really?
Lammy - really?

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Politics4me · 08/12/2021 09:38

I don't think so. He won't go until absolutely forced, Stubbornness is the only real Churchillian attribute that he has.

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x2boys · 08/12/2021 09:39

@IntermittentParps

They need another Tony Blair if they want any chance of winning but the Labour Party see him as the devil (even though he won 3 GE with huge majorities). Instead they put Corybn and McDonnell in charge and were slaughted in the GE. Who is thick as mince now?
Totally agree. I have friends who I can't say this to in RL, but I would have New Labour back in a heartbeat. I never had a problem with them or with Blair.

I hate Tony Blair' with a passion but he was very charasmatic and personable and before the whole weapons of mass destruction and Iraq war ,,I think people really did believe " things could only get better "
I can absolutely see why people voted for him
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thecatfromjapan · 08/12/2021 09:40

@Poetrypatty

Labour is looking pretty strong with Starmer, Lammy, Cooper, Milliband, Streeting etc. They would be far far better than what we've got now.

I agree.
There's a really strong team in the front bench for Labour.
There are serious plans being developed for supporting businesses and communities. I'm expecting well- thought out policies on social care and supporting children come a GE.
The Labour Party is at a stage where it may seem a bit boring (no drama) but is genuinely steady and dependable.
At some point, hopefully, people will want that, rather than drama, drama.
There's no way on earth a Labour government under Keir Starmer would be permitted to hand out sweetheart contracts worth millions to friends and cronies.
Starmer is well aware that Labour is held to different standards than the Conservatives. He won't allow that sort of corruption (& nor would the public).

So, yes, there's a good Shadow Cabinet.

And that's something a lot of people are taking note of.

Apart from anything else, it does reduce the tolerance of sections of society , for example, the media, to go along with any hideous action by Johnson.

Because they know that there is a credible alternative. Even if that news hasn't yet hit home with all of the electorate.
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Gonnagetgoing · 08/12/2021 09:41

He’s wanted this job for long enough and hasn’t done nearly enough damage as he’d like to do (being ironic here).

He wants to leave his mark and be a name like Margaret Thatcher, Tony Blair and be recognised for more than just tackling Covid 19 and Brexit (he’d love a positive outcome on one of his big ideas/big policy decisions) whereas so far he’s had everything go wrong including eg lack of faith in policing and then Sarah Everard and Sabina Nessa whilst he’s in power.

Sad to say, I’d probably vote labour (under duress) but there’s only really Tories and labour to vote for re choices in my view now. Don’t tell me to go into politics either as my local one is corrupt and bankrupt anyway!

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Notatwite · 08/12/2021 09:42

I’m not Starmer’s biggest fan as his politics sometimes lacks conviction and he does come across as very bland. But the notion pushed by some on the right that a party led by the serious, competent and intelligent Starmer would be “unelectable”, while more “fuck business as usual” with the lying buffoon Boris Johnson and his merry band of corrupt incompetents is all A-OK is beyond laughable. “Boris” might treat the country like idiots, but the vast majority no longer fool for it, and when it comes to an election they’ll vote for who looks like they can provide competence and best rescue our Brexit fucked economy.

This is my take entirely. I don’t care about the blandness. Just to have someone with intelligence, who thinks before they speak and has an ounce of integrity will do fine for me. I have no idea why Starmer has been deemed unelectable.

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HangingDitch · 08/12/2021 09:43

He’s not going anywhere in the short term. He’s absolutely shameless and will just front it out. However, the days of him being electoral gold dust seem long gone and I expect he’ll go before the next election - he’s starting to become a liability rather than an asset.

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womanity · 08/12/2021 09:43

@Poetrypatty

I think Labour's recent move to the centre has been wise and if I look at the shadow cabinet -v- the current cabinet then it's no contest for me, Labour are far better. I accept that others will disagree of course.

They need someone who can unite very left and centrish. Otherwise they’re just a party at war with themselves.

That’s not going to be Starmer.

Tories are far more disciplined about showing a united front.
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Gonnagetgoing · 08/12/2021 09:45

@x2boys - sadly the current labour gov isn’t enough to make the Tory faithful want to switch voting.

There’s still lots they think labour are soft on like immigration and they’ll make excuses for higher energy bills, food bills etc - the Brexit legacy.

A lot of issues like gang land stabbings only happen in big cities and we still have done precious little work on them (they’d get it done in a second and have done if it’s in wealthy areas eg Chelsea, Kensington etc).

Then there’s the housing issue and how to tackle it.

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AndreaC67 · 08/12/2021 09:48

@AdaptAdapt

So you want Boris Johnson out, but who do you want in?
Starmer - really?
Rayner - really?
Lammy - really?

BJ - Really?

So you don't think a lawyer and a former DPP is fit to be PM but Johnson is.....

Lammy has campaigned tirelessly for the Grenfell victims and the 1000s left with huge bills on cladding.

What i like about Starmer is that he helped care for his sick mum and dad and his sister works as a carer in a nursing home, this allows a little more insight into ordinary peoples lives.

Would you prefer Raab or Patel to Raynor? who do you think would govern for the people and who would govern for themselves?

Remember it is BJ who has hit the very poorest (working people) in this country with NI rises, whilst allowing the very richest to escape proportional increases.
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RedToothBrush · 08/12/2021 09:48

Be careful what you wish for.

If Johnson resigns tomorrow. Raab is deputy pm.

He will be in charge for January and February whilst the omicron curve hits full steam.

The Tory leadership contest then will have an array of wonderful looking candidates.

Many of them are more anti restrictions than Johnson has ever been.

Im no Johnson fan, but im also not a fan of the alternatives either.

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Gonnagetgoing · 08/12/2021 09:52

Much as I hate to say it through gritted teeth (and his public speaking needs a lot of polishing) have seen him live speak and outside in street when as Mayor, Boris does have gravitas and charm in abundance. He’s got the like-ability factor in spades. Haven’t seen Starmer live but he always reminds me of Kryten from Red Dwarf and though he speaks far better than Boris do we really want an attack dog PM (based on his legal and barrister background)?

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StellaGibson118 · 08/12/2021 09:53

As much as I am not keen on Starmer, I'd much rather see him take lead right now. Even leaders of other countries are treating us with contempt over how embarrassing he is. Starmer wouldnt embarrass us with the buffoonery he does.

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Gonnagetgoing · 08/12/2021 09:53

@RedToothBrush

Be careful what you wish for.

If Johnson resigns tomorrow. Raab is deputy pm.

He will be in charge for January and February whilst the omicron curve hits full steam.

The Tory leadership contest then will have an array of wonderful looking candidates.

Many of them are more anti restrictions than Johnson has ever been.

Im no Johnson fan, but im also not a fan of the alternatives either.

@RedToothBrush - Boris won’t resign. I’m secretly wondering how effective (not very) Raab would be as temp PM?
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StellaGibson118 · 08/12/2021 09:54

Obviously I know that isn't going to happen. I'm just thinking 'out loud' generally.

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