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Will Johnson be gone before Christmas or after?

589 replies

Sarahlou63 · 07/12/2021 22:38

I'm thinking the 1922 committee grandees will run out of patience fairly soon. So will Johnson stand aside to be a better parent before Christmas or will he continue to drag his party into the shit into 2022?

YABU - hangs on for grim death

YANBU - Who the fuck is Johnson?

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Poetrypatty · 10/12/2021 18:46

I actually don't want Bozo to go. If he stays surely there's more chance of us getting a change of party

It's the Tory party deciding it so if they give us someone like Liz Truss or Gove then I reckon we'll still end up with a change of party most probably.

thecatfromjapan · 10/12/2021 18:51

It won't be Gove.

For a start, he's in the middle of some kind of mid-life car-crash.

Truss is the 'acceptable' face of the Gove wing.

And then there's Sunak.

But Gove has blown it. He'll have to content himself with goveing about behind the scenes.

XingMing · 10/12/2021 19:55

Thing is, it's such a poisoned chalice right now, that I don't think any serious competent candidates want their name put forward yet.

GreenLunchBox · 10/12/2021 20:08

Bercow was absolutely scathing today
twitter.com/jonlis1/status/1469269160735789058?t=JQwLP2aRicj6fxQ9_kbIZQ&s=19

llangollen21 · 10/12/2021 20:13

There will be a Tory government until 2024 or even longer. At least let it be headed by a full time Prime Minister.

I think though Mr Johnson will still be in Downing Street at the start of 2022.

malificent7 · 10/12/2021 20:14

Boris makes no sense at all...bless him!

GreenLunchBox · 10/12/2021 20:46

@llangollen21

There will be a Tory government until 2024 or even longer. At least let it be headed by a full time Prime Minister.

I think though Mr Johnson will still be in Downing Street at the start of 2022.

You're the first person I've ever heard call him 'Mr Johnson' Grin
Armpittits · 10/12/2021 21:22

Yup, I hear most call him a bell end these days Grin

the80sweregreat · 10/12/2021 22:13

Mr Johnson !!
I loved this as most mumsnetters refer to him in less favorable terms !!

longwayoff · 11/12/2021 06:14

'We have a Johnson as PM' never mind the 'Mr'.

GoodPrincessWenceslas · 11/12/2021 06:31

@malificent7

Boris makes no sense at all...bless him!
Why "bless him"? He's not a small child who makes the occasional endearing mistake. His mistakes are ruining the economy and causing people to die.
LizzieW1969 · 11/12/2021 10:42

@llangollen21

There will be a Tory government until 2024 or even longer. At least let it be headed by a full time Prime Minister.

I think though Mr Johnson will still be in Downing Street at the start of 2022.

It can go downhill very quickly for a PM who has fallen out of favour with their party, though. Especially the Tory Party. When Thatcher won her third term in office, she appeared invincible, and even in 1989, when she celebrated 10 years in office, she boasted about how she would go ‘on and on’.

One year later, because of her intransigence over the poll tax and Europe, she was forced out by her own Cabinet after over 100 Tory MPs voted against her in the leadership election first round.

Wheresthebeach · 11/12/2021 10:57

I think the Tory machinery will step in sooner rather than later. They are very good at surviving and very ruthless. Johnson is increasingly a liability.

jacks11 · 11/12/2021 11:00

The man is Teflon coated, there are so many lies and dishonesty, half truths and fudging- not to mention blatant mis-management and incompetence, poor leadership, cronyism and sleaze- and yet he blithely waves it all aside (and is allowed to). He could (and probably has) broken the law, but will get away with it.

He can lie to parliament, and will probably get away with it.

He can break the law, rules and guidelines and seems to be able to use “not knowing” as an excuse. In my profession ignorance of something you ought to have known, or in a situation where you are ultimately responsible, is not deemed an acceptable excuse. Seems if you are held to lower standards than virtually anybody else. Pretty shameful state of affairs.

But still, he “got Brexit done” (regardless of whether it was done well, but get- he hit an arbitrary deadline, to hang with the consequences) and is a “likeable” bumbling persona…. So who cares?!

I think the persona is utterly contrived- he may not be fit to be Prime minister and is clearly utterly lacking in integrity and honesty, the government is largely incompetent and poorly managed from top down etc- but I don’t believe the bumbling, slightly eccentric persona. He’s intelligent, clearly, and obviously pretty ruthless… he’s got away with too much, for too long, and few come off better when they get into a tussle with him for that not to be the case. It’s just that the only thing Boris really cares about is Boris, having power and his ego- a number of his decisions make sense when seen from that angle, even when they appear utterly terrible from practically every other viewpoint.

longwayoff · 11/12/2021 11:32

A major problem, and evidence of Johnson and cronies advance plotting, is the fact that he either sacked the reasonably honest Old Tories at the commencement of this coup, or they walked away in disgust at what had been chosen as leader. So he may have more party support than Thatcher found herself with. Hopefully, N Shropshire will deliver the grasping charlatans in No 10 a firm kick up the arse which will remind them that, hilarious as we plebs and our pitiful concerns may be, they still need us to vote for them every so often.

VikingOnTheFridge · 11/12/2021 12:21

@longwayoff

A major problem, and evidence of Johnson and cronies advance plotting, is the fact that he either sacked the reasonably honest Old Tories at the commencement of this coup, or they walked away in disgust at what had been chosen as leader. So he may have more party support than Thatcher found herself with. Hopefully, N Shropshire will deliver the grasping charlatans in No 10 a firm kick up the arse which will remind them that, hilarious as we plebs and our pitiful concerns may be, they still need us to vote for them every so often.
He got rid of a lot of the most credible opposition, but the Conservative Party is still the Conservative Party. As soon as he's no use to them any more they'll stab him in the front.

They also have a higher than normal number of MPs who are sitting on wafer thin majorities and/or who were elected with under 50% of the vote. People whose election was a creation of the system and know it. That creates a cohort who have to be incredibly receptive to unpopularity of a leader, because they've got to mirror what their constituents want as far as possible. Hence why we saw so many being willing to put their names to written complaints about Cummings. It wasn't because they wanted to stick their necks out, it was because they had to. The same applies here.

Peregrina · 11/12/2021 12:29

Are we due for a Tory bloodletting yet? Cameron deprived them of one by going away whistling a merry ditty, and May was somehow wounded almost before she started so it was more like putting her out of her misery.

But Thatcher - three elections won and my, how they turned on her. Johnson - a Referendum and one election won - so he's got a pretty strong scorecard. They could turn in the same way.

MarshaBradyo · 11/12/2021 12:32

The Cons have probably learned after Blair that a leader who can win elections is valuable after all.

However the vote this week may be the thing that weakens him. Although media are doing a good job on turning up heat on just act now

lifesabitchandthenyoudie · 11/12/2021 15:23

@jacks11 you’re right. He knows exactly what he’s doing. There are accounts of him making sure his appearance in messy deliberately, just as an example. He is heinous. I will never understand the attraction!

OhWhyNot · 11/12/2021 15:46

The public turned on Thatcher then her MP’s

The nail in her coffin was the poll tax which was hugely unpopular and she simply wouldn’t listen (she had by that time become incredibly dogmatic)

Though some Tory MP’s are grumbling they know there isn’t anyone to take his place at present. The Tory party always have their eye on the next election

It’s not news that Johnson is corrupt it’s not news that he lies, that his persona is contrived that is he a maverick (in the very least)

Lucky for him he is taking family time off

Voters (I include myself and my support for Blair) can be very forgiving when it comes to voting

The answer is getting the strongest opposition leader not waiting for his downfall

repottingthescabious · 11/12/2021 17:27

i don't believe for one minute he is taking time off to do the night feeds.

he is securing his place in the house of lords

YourenutsmiLord · 11/12/2021 17:47

he is securing his place in the house of lords

Naaah, he's lining up speech platforms in the US and abroad - very lucrative...

longwayoff · 11/12/2021 18:20

I'm going to entertain myself with a fantasy in which Bozo and the current Mrs Johnson depart to take America by storm a la Meghan and Harry, another exported Brit power couple. Jennifer Arcuri can contribute occasional reminiscences about how much public money Bozo handed to her, Carrie can chat about the same involving decor and he can, for a suitable fee, stir up the Republicans if Trump begins to wilt. Bye Boz.

maryzx · 11/12/2021 19:44

@Peregrina

Are we due for a Tory bloodletting yet? Cameron deprived them of one by going away whistling a merry ditty, and May was somehow wounded almost before she started so it was more like putting her out of her misery.

But Thatcher - three elections won and my, how they turned on her. Johnson - a Referendum and one election won - so he's got a pretty strong scorecard. They could turn in the same way.

Let's hope so.
Decimator · 11/12/2021 20:19

Anyone who voted Conservative deserves all they get with this clown. You knew what you were getting. Vote smarter next time!