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DD's Dad just cancelled having her

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user013452 · 03/12/2021 16:12

DD due to spend the weekend at her Dad's this weekend. She stays at his 4 night a month and that's it (every other weekend). Due to go to his at 4 today. Get a text from her Dad at 3 to say he can no longer have her this weekend. Wouldn't give a reason. Eventually admitted it was because him and his wife are arguing. Her 2DC (not his) will be at their house weekend. Couldn't say when he might next be seeing her, it could be the next time she's due to stay in 2 weeks. He's also asked me to tell DD she's no longer going (as he hasn't), but has asked me not to tell her the real reason. DD is 13. Surely this is not ok? Maybe it's just me?

I'm being unreasonable- it's fine for her to miss this weekend due to her Dad and his wife not currently getting on.

I'm not being unreasonable - it's her Dad's contact weekend, his wife's DC will be there are for the sake of 48 hours they should act like adults?

OP posts:
Merryweather80 · 05/12/2021 01:06

My ex has done the same with his court ordered contact. Dd is only 7 though. Want her Christmas Day though but busy the rest of the time he’s supposed to have her. Mine just uses dd as a control weapon for me though. She’s noticing more and more now and oddly enough doesn’t want to go anyway. Fine by me! I’d much prefer she was home.

Owl55 · 05/12/2021 01:43

For the sake of ;48 hours you should all grow up! Put your daughters feelings first and just say he can’t have her this week and don’t make her feel unwanted!!

GertietheGherkin · 05/12/2021 02:45

So he's arguing with his wife? You don't know what about?

So Dad's done the decent thing and advised you that things aren't great at home?

Dad's asked you not to tell her why she's not going this weekend?

But you'd rather Dad picked your Daughter up and take her to his house and be in a pretty crap atmosphere?
( Her kids probably hear them rowing a lot and live there so they're probably not much bothered)

You don't know what the row is about?
But if it's about his wife not wanting your Daughter staying over you want her Dad to tell her that? That she's not wanted?

And you'd rather your Daughter be told she's not wanted at her Dad's? What with you being so keen on her being the truth being told?

Yep, sounds great OP, she'll probably not want to go anymore. Her Dad doesn't sound like he cancels many access visits if it's been pretty frequent since the first 12 weeks of Covid ( that worked in your Daughter's and your favour too if her kids go to different Schools and were a potential source of infection if they visited their Dad or family.

Yep you crack on, sounds like it'll all work out great now that you and Mumsnet have appointed yourselves Judge and Jury. Your ex-husband isn't being the unreasonable one here at all. You're certainly not putting your Daughter's wellbeing and best interests first. Dad certainly is.

ImustLearn2Cook · 05/12/2021 03:09

YANBU If your ex was trying to do the right thing and shield his daughter from a tense, argument filled atmosphere he would have said that she can’t stay overnight but I can pick her up and spend the day with her. He lives only 10 minutes drive away so not that difficult. He could then repeat that the next day.

If his wife gets upset, all he has to do is explain that this is his daughters weekend to spend time with him, you have the other 12 days/evenings. We can discuss it later, bye. Then leave the house, pick up his daughter and spend the day out of the house. That’s called having reasonable boundaries.

He didn’t do that. He didn’t prioritise his daughter at all. Then he changed his mind, said he could have her stay only to exclude her from spending lunchtime with him.

What an awful thing to do.

@user013452 Flowers for you and dd, sorry you are both being treated badly by the ex. Hope you both have a better weekend next week.

HoppingPavlova · 05/12/2021 04:22

She hasn't asked why yet but I know she will and I don't really know what to say.

Simple answer is ‘best you ask your dad because I don’t understand’.

HoppingPavlova · 05/12/2021 04:27

And what makes it even more infuriating (for me) is that I rescheduled last nights plans to tomorrow in the day which means I either move them again in order to pick DD up early, or she has to stay at her Dad's for hours on her own whilst he's out!

She is 13yo, surely okay to stay there alone for a few hours? I would just be honest and say you had already reorganised your plans Fri night to Sunday, can’t reorganise again around her fathers changing plans. She will be safe in their house and will get to sit there and think what a dick he is.

Shebangshebong · 05/12/2021 07:29

Stop being his messenger. Only emergencies to come through you. He can make his own plans and communicate his own cancellations directly with DD. I speak as someone who grew up with a deadbeat Dad. My mum gave me the agency and confidence to challenge him directly. She wasn't going to be his messenger.

wannalivelikecommonpeople · 05/12/2021 08:09

What a pair of C words

Utter utter C words

Outlyingtrout · 05/12/2021 08:15

@GertietheGherkin

So he's arguing with his wife? You don't know what about?

So Dad's done the decent thing and advised you that things aren't great at home?

Dad's asked you not to tell her why she's not going this weekend?

But you'd rather Dad picked your Daughter up and take her to his house and be in a pretty crap atmosphere?
( Her kids probably hear them rowing a lot and live there so they're probably not much bothered)

You don't know what the row is about?
But if it's about his wife not wanting your Daughter staying over you want her Dad to tell her that? That she's not wanted?

And you'd rather your Daughter be told she's not wanted at her Dad's? What with you being so keen on her being the truth being told?

Yep, sounds great OP, she'll probably not want to go anymore. Her Dad doesn't sound like he cancels many access visits if it's been pretty frequent since the first 12 weeks of Covid ( that worked in your Daughter's and your favour too if her kids go to different Schools and were a potential source of infection if they visited their Dad or family.

Yep you crack on, sounds like it'll all work out great now that you and Mumsnet have appointed yourselves Judge and Jury. Your ex-husband isn't being the unreasonable one here at all. You're certainly not putting your Daughter's wellbeing and best interests first. Dad certainly is.

What a load of utter shite.
sparepantsandtoothbrush · 05/12/2021 08:26

@GertietheGherkin

So he's arguing with his wife? You don't know what about?

So Dad's done the decent thing and advised you that things aren't great at home?

Dad's asked you not to tell her why she's not going this weekend?

But you'd rather Dad picked your Daughter up and take her to his house and be in a pretty crap atmosphere?
( Her kids probably hear them rowing a lot and live there so they're probably not much bothered)

You don't know what the row is about?
But if it's about his wife not wanting your Daughter staying over you want her Dad to tell her that? That she's not wanted?

And you'd rather your Daughter be told she's not wanted at her Dad's? What with you being so keen on her being the truth being told?

Yep, sounds great OP, she'll probably not want to go anymore. Her Dad doesn't sound like he cancels many access visits if it's been pretty frequent since the first 12 weeks of Covid ( that worked in your Daughter's and your favour too if her kids go to different Schools and were a potential source of infection if they visited their Dad or family.

Yep you crack on, sounds like it'll all work out great now that you and Mumsnet have appointed yourselves Judge and Jury. Your ex-husband isn't being the unreasonable one here at all. You're certainly not putting your Daughter's wellbeing and best interests first. Dad certainly is.

Confused Are you reading a different thread to everyone else. So many stretches in your post!
Elieza · 05/12/2021 08:32

If the dad was putting the daughter first he’d have done something else other than abandon her!

mugglenutmeg · 05/12/2021 08:41

He's a shit dad, but I guess you already knew that and she does too.

Keep supporting her (as you are!) and making her feel loved and wanted (as you are!)

I'd be honest with her though, she needs respect and honesty from you, don't be complicit in him minimising his faults to her.

Whatinthelord · 05/12/2021 08:43

I’m so glad people have replied to @GertietheGherkin post.

Totally lacks any sense of responsibility on the father. Apparently it’s mums responsibility to manage his contact, communicate on his behalf, arrange alternative care for their daughter….that’s a pathetic state of affairs.

If the fathers argument is so bad his daughter can’t safely visit then I’d have questions about his ability to provide a safe space ever (as arguments could happen anytime). If it’s something that could have been managed (like others said he could have taken her out for the day/put argument on hold) then he should have….like every other parent would have to. As a very basic he should have been the one to explain to daughter that the contact was cancelled, passing on that responsibility speaks volumes. He didn’t even just want her to inform the daughter it was off….he actually wanted her to construct a lie/alternative reason for him too. Pathetic.

itsme1978 · 05/12/2021 09:11

@user013452 you sound like an ace mum x

frazzledasarock · 05/12/2021 09:27

@Owl55

For the sake of ;48 hours you should all grow up! Put your daughters feelings first and just say he can’t have her this week and don’t make her feel unwanted!!
Did you miss the post where the father messaged his daughter directly and badgered her to come for contact for on Saturday and apparently now has to cut it short.

It’s the father acting the idiot. Both OP & her DD are fine.

OP can’t just say no to contact if her thirteen years old wants to go (in response to her fathers badgering).

I suspect she won’t be going to contact for much longer though give his behaviour.

OP I wouldn’t cancel whatever you have on today and let your dd know you rearranged Saturdays activity to day and will pick her up when you’re free at whatever time it is.

user013452 · 05/12/2021 09:47

@itsme1978 Thank you Thanks

OP posts:
IAAP · 05/12/2021 10:00

@Itsalmostanaccessory

My reply would be, "She is 13. Call and tell her yourself."
This and text him to tell her
Marsh227 · 05/12/2021 12:26

That sounds familiar…..my ex has done that so many times over the past 10 yrs. Constantly lets my children down (17 & 13) & always puts himself first (complete waste of air & space)!

They should act like adults and put their argument to one side so your DD can go, if she has her 2DC there then there shouldn’t be a reason for your DD not to be (but would you really want her around them if they are arguing)!
Tell him you will not lie to your DD for him, tell her the truth in your words as she’s old enough to know what’s going on. Have a lovely weekend with her yourself. Then start to keep a log of all missed days, late pick ups, drop offs and the reason why (if you get one)! Try to keep a record of everything that’s happened, get proof of you can - text msgs, emails, photographs etc….anything that can back up what’s been happening so you can always prove it all. I’ve learnt the hard way after being dragged through court a few times over 4yrs by my ex for him to get the right to take my two out of the country (not an English citizen) & for contact dates/times to be set - but he’s then repeatedly gone against everything in the order (luckily he lost any right to take them away after many threats)……I now have to keep records & a folder! I didn’t think this would ever happen as he was never really interested but one day decided to make my life a living hell (which he told me he would do), so you never know what will happen, best to have the evidence and not need it than not to!

GertietheGherkin · 05/12/2021 16:04

@Whatinthelord

I’m so glad people have replied to *@GertietheGherkin* post.

Totally lacks any sense of responsibility on the father. Apparently it’s mums responsibility to manage his contact, communicate on his behalf, arrange alternative care for their daughter….that’s a pathetic state of affairs.

If the fathers argument is so bad his daughter can’t safely visit then I’d have questions about his ability to provide a safe space ever (as arguments could happen anytime). If it’s something that could have been managed (like others said he could have taken her out for the day/put argument on hold) then he should have….like every other parent would have to. As a very basic he should have been the one to explain to daughter that the contact was cancelled, passing on that responsibility speaks volumes. He didn’t even just want her to inform the daughter it was off….he actually wanted her to construct a lie/alternative reason for him too. Pathetic.

I have to listen to this all day, thankfully I get paid for it!

It always goes the same way, Dad/ Mum leaves... Contact is agreed between the two parties. Life, work, distance, accommodation suitability all play a part in life, so consequently they play a part in contact arrangements.
Courts favour contact between both parties, and as long as it's regular that's in the best interest of the child.

Sadly life throws curved balls, and contact agreements are not carved in stone, even Court Orders have all leeway. If circumstances deem Contact to be not in the child's best interests there are variations made.

In this instance Dad deemed it not to be in his Daughters best interests to visit. He didn't want to give reasons, but eventually did to the OP.. He could have lied and said they'd all come down with iffy tums... But he didn't.

OP has instantly come from he's let his Daughter down and not explained. He actually trusted the OP to explain, but it didn't suit. It doesn't happen every week. The OP mentions no other disruption to contact, other than Covid, and that was not a regular situation. So at discretion and the safety levels this would have been acceptable in extenuating circumstances.

13 is usually a time when weekend overnights become patchy due to teenagers wanting to see friends at weekends for sleepovers, days out etc.

Dad has agreed to see his Daughter the following day, but she says she doesn't want to go. So Dad and his wife make plans with friends for lunch. Daughter decided she did now want to go, but things have now changed. So it's not convenient timewise now. This is life!

If Dad and his wife decide now that weekends aren't convenient for them now, as teenagers don't really like going out doing day-to-day stuff at weekends, and rather than plan life around a teenager they'll seek to readjust contact. This usually suits the child, but the RP decides it doesn't suit them so they end up in situations like this, it usually backfires as they then end up having the child every weekend. Children aren't playthings or bargaining chips to pass around. The arrangements should reflect the best interests of the child. Some Fathers would love to see their kids every week, but usually the ex will settle scores and insist on once a month. If contact has been withheld and CAFCASS become involved they'll introduce contact in stages of a few hours, for a period, a day for a period, these stages can sometimes lead to NRP's not getting overnights/weekends until 12-18 mths at times. That's not fair either is it? But it happens.

RP's who overplay their hands are often met with a situation where the NRP will just say "That's it I'm done" as it's not a natural parent child relationship. They'll then get lambasted for walking away.

The only one that suffers are the children in all of these situations. But as long as the parents are happy. That's what counts. Neither parent is right, as neither of them has acted in the best interest of the child. That's often why Court rulings very rarely meet parents wants, that's because Courts will make decisions in the best interests of the child. They don't particularly care or bother what parents want.

It's because parents can't/ won't agree that leads to Court involvement anyway. They then won't agree with the Court either. Very childish, the lot of it

So my opinions will vary considerably from many on here, as I see the reality and the impact of those realities on children everyday!

CarrotSticks19 · 05/12/2021 16:23

@GertietheGherkin that's an odd take on the situation. You seem to be blaming a lot of the child I this situation

Let's be honest if the dad had had his daughters best interests at heart he would have told her himself, and come up with a contingency plan. E.g. going out for the day/to the cinema/lunch.

There's nothing to suggest he made lunch plans with his friends after his daughter said she didn't want to go to his (because she was presumably upset because he'd cancelled on her)

A child is not something you can drop because it's inconvenient for you. You are trying to blame everyone but the dad for dropping his child! Op has overplaying ger hand, the daughter said no etc. Of course a NRP who says that's it I'm done should be blamed! Of course it's their fault, they are a fucking parent

Op hasn't played any hand here. She's cancelled her plans to accommodate her ex's, she's comforted her daughter and allowed her to make her decision as to when she sees her dad. There's no game playing so don't pretend your shitty post is justified because some RP may play games

Outlyingtrout · 05/12/2021 17:13

Children aren't playthings or bargaining chips to pass around.

Unless you're a NRP dad who can just decide it's no longer convenient to see your child on weekends because they are teenagers and don't fit in with your plans with your wife? Or you want to punish the RP for "overplaying their hand" by stopping contact with your own kids? Give your head a wobble. What a load of nonsense you're talking. You seem to be implying that you have some kind of professional role involving contact between divorced/separated parents and children. Let's hope that's not actually the case.

Clymene · 05/12/2021 17:24

God I really hope you're not paid to peddle your misogynist shite @GertietheGherkin

frazzledasarock · 05/12/2021 17:29

He HAS let his daughter down.

Parents do not get to opt out of parenting because life. You’ve got a child you prioritise your child. You’ve argued with your partner and don’t want your child in the house (altho resident children are present), you take your child out, you visit friends and family, you go to the cinema or out for lunch or visit a museum anything. You don’t get to opt out. You have a child you have responsibility to that child you do not get to decide you aren’t parenting oyur child.

And thirteen is no age for children not needing parenting the teens are really really important for children to have a close relationship with their parents, it’s when they need to be able to rely on their parents being there for them and loving them and having their back.

You do not get to decide you aren’t parenting your child.

I’ve argued with my husband. I’ve not kicked my kids out of the house because of it. If I did I’d have the authorities knocking on my door.

It pisses me off that NRP, fathers, are allowed to dip in and out of parenting and are given a million excuses and a fucking standing ovation for turning up and occasionally being a slightly less than utterly shit father to their own child.

GertietheGherkin · 05/12/2021 17:38

@Clymene

God I really hope you're not paid to peddle your misogynist shite *@GertietheGherkin*
😂 Pays better than bitter spoutings on a forum 👍 Better qualified too 😁
Outlyingtrout · 05/12/2021 17:42

@GertietheGherkin bitter? Because someone disagrees with you. I find it incredibly difficult to believe that someone as misogynistic, childish and lacking in basic understanding could possibly be professionally involved in this field. Truly worrying on the off chance you're genuine.

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