Just been kicked out of a group for objecting to being referred to as my reproductive organs

[Gerlais]

Group on Facebook. I was referred to as a “uterus owner”. I objected to this. I’m now banned from the group for being transphobic. Everyone piled on me and if I wasn’t kicked out I would have been leaving anyway. I don’t care what other people want to be called but I will not be referred to as my reproductive organs!! It’s not transphobic to want to be referred to as a woman if you were in fact born female and wish to remain a woman? surely?? Or AIBU?

Hoarding …. “How 2018” “how silly”

This really is a nasty, sneery thread.

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@Wobblyhousehunt

Really telling that kindness is scorned up on. And when your all shouting about your facts, here’s mine … trans people exist. No matter what you say they exist and there are a great many people who stand by them.

Um, what? Of course they exist! Do you think anyone is here, thinking they're mythical creatures like dragons and unicorns?

@Wobblyhousehunt yes yes we’re all nasty horrible TERFs who wouldn’t accept your ‘be kind at the expense of women’s rights’ mantra. How boring.

Not wanting penis havers in women's prisons, women's sport or women's refuges is not transphobic; not wanting to see vulnerable girls or boys undergoing unnecessary and invasive medical treatment is not transphobic; feminism is not transphobic.

Why does #bekind only ever extend one way?

Should transwomen have to go to groups for male victims of incest and rape? I also believe that trans women have the highest rate of sexual assault/ violence against them out of any group.

No, they should go to groups for transwomen. In the case of the Brighton therapy group that was referenced earlier in this thread where a woman had to self-exclude, there was a group for transpeople and yet still an individual who presented as male but identified as female joined the women’s group. The woman was told there was no provision for that group to be biological women only.

And please provide your source for transwomen having the highest rate of sexual assault/violence.

As for all the “be kind or I’ll call you a TERF” and references to “extreme feminists” who “hate transpeople”, well I have no words to describe that level of weapons-grade batshittery.

@Wobblyhousehunt

Hoarding …. “How 2018” “how silly”

This really is a nasty, sneery thread.

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I'd take a bow if you could but see me.

It was a post. And I chose to use humour rather than to tell you just how fucked up your logic is.

Nasty is what lies behind your insistence that women and girls need to sut up and give up their life choices to accommodate men.

And when your all shouting about your facts, here’s mine … trans people exist.

Oh please, not this old chestnut. No-one is saying transpeople don’t exist, but insisting that they do is not the answer to being unable to back up a statement or claim.

As usual the mask slips very quickly and out come the insults, be kind only ever goes one way.

Note the prevalence of males in this comment from Wobblyhousehunt:

they are your nephews, sons, daughters and grandchildren. They are your brother who killed himself and you never knew why.

One, just one reference to a female and no doubt used as an afterthought, this agenda is straight up misogyny on steroids and is all about removing spaces and services from women and bastardising the language women use, all to favour men. No, I won't be fucking kind about it.

Women are done being kind.
You can’t change sex, ever.
Women should not have have to bend and change their language to suit those who are not included in it by default.
Trans people know full well what their biological sex is, they know when they are and when they are not included in literature regardless of how they identify be that permanently or on any given day.
The trans umbrella has expanded to include anyone who feels that they are trans, It’s all a nonsense.

I'd like to think that any MNers hitherto unfamiliar with this topic will have found themselves amply educated by the Beeee-Kiiiiind-Pink-Fluffy-Silly-Things-And-Centre-Menz-Feelz mask which swiftly fell off to reveal Angry-Slogans-And-Flouncing.

@Wobblyhousehunt

Really telling that kindness is scorned up on. And when your all shouting about your facts, here’s mine … trans people exist. No matter what you say they exist and there are a great many people who stand by them.

What an absolutely absurd comment! No one is saying trans people dont exist what we are saying is WOMEN exist and we want to be called WOMEN as we identify as WOMEN. Not people with a uterus, or cis, or birth givers or whatever other nonsense othering name certain streams of society want to give us.

I identify as a WOMAN. That's it, plain, simple and I demand the right to have my identity respected. Respect mine, and I'll respect yours.

Really telling that kindness is scorned up on. And when your all shouting about your facts, here’s mine … trans people exist. No matter what you say they exist and there are a great many people who stand by them.

JFC are we really back to trans people exist? Please grow up, engage with the arguments and present your own facts if the ones presented here offend you.

I don't think kindness is being scorned because that's not what's being asked of women, it's more like total disregard to our own boundaries, kindness is just the word used to try to shame us in to capitulation. #no thank you

This all goes to prove that male privilege is very powerful and very deeply rooted, layers and layers below the conscious feeling of a penis owner identifying as a woman.
Call yourself what you like, I'm a mother and woman and I carried my babies in my uterus and fed using my breasts. No amount of lies or jealousy or spite can change that.

You think your clever but all you’ve done is show yourself up to be a bunch of bully’s. I get it your done with kindness. When ever I come across a trans person I will double down on my kindness towards them as a direct result of this conversation today.

What is the purpose of the yellow hand clip art? Is that Wobbly giving us all a virtual slap on the wrist?!

@Wobblyhousehunt

You think your clever but all you’ve done is show yourself up to be a bunch of bully’s. I get it your done with kindness. When ever I come across a trans person I will double down on my kindness towards them as a direct result of this conversation today.

More name calling of women who haven’t fallen into line and done as you demanded!

@TheElementsSong

I'd like to think that any MNers hitherto unfamiliar with this topic will have found themselves amply educated by the Beeee-Kiiiiind-Pink-Fluffy-Silly-Things-And-Centre-Menz-Feelz mask which swiftly fell off to reveal Angry-Slogans-And-Flouncing.

And for those who have read this thread and been struck by the lack of evidence, reason or discussion from the 'be kind, you bigots!' posters - this thread is an invaluable resource to understand more about what's going on - www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3145470-Break-it-down-for-me

@Wobblyhousehunt

You think your clever but all you’ve done is show yourself up to be a bunch of bully’s. I get it your done with kindness. When ever I come across a trans person I will double down on my kindness towards them as a direct result of this conversation today.

Dear @Wobblyhousehunt Please will you answer my question about what you think vulnerable women should do who want to retain single sex spaces such as in sports, prisons and rape crisis centres. Do you think we should be kind to them too?

Thank you

Notahandmaid

@Wobblyhousehunt

You think your clever but all you’ve done is show yourself up to be a bunch of bully’s. I get it your done with kindness. When ever I come across a trans person I will double down on my kindness towards them as a direct result of this conversation today.

The one throwing out insults and coming across as a bully here is you.

You roll over and act as a validation tool if you want, I and many, many, many other women won't as we prioritise women and girls and their safety, privacy and dignity over men's wants.

It’s not bloody prejudice to take offence at being referred to by your reproductive parts!! I have the right to identify as a WOMAN

Of course you do, they just didn't presume that's how you identified, worded it in a way that wouldn't offend someone who identified differently, and then you took offence rather than simply stating you wish to be called a woman.

Lots of FB groups ban people for kicking off about things.

It is not kind, to refer to women as uterus havers #bekind.

I was so annoyed on one group that when this was tried on me, I started to describe the men as Willy-wavers. It shut them up! Especially when I said men was as exclusionary to trans men as uterus haver was to trans women.

It starts with the erosion of language. The way to define ourselves within law is disappearing.

We have rape crisis centres proclaiming that they are for women (they mean ‘all that identify as women’), which means that those poor women who have been raped by a man have to accept that biologically male bodies may be in their support groups. Vulnerable women in prison may have to accept that biologically male bodies may be in their prison population, because they identify as women. My daughter cannot always expect to be in a changing room without being exposed to a biologically male body because they identify as women. My elderly mother will be gaslighted if she asks to be put on a hospital ward with just women, if there are trans women there, she will be told ‘it’s only women here’. Lesbians are being labelled transphobic for not dating lesbians with a penis, because they identify as a lesbian. Women fought for Sex-based provision because we knew the risk posed by the male sex. Why is a third space provision not acceptable?

Standing up for women and the protected characteristic of ‘Sex’ (Equality act 2010) is not transphobic, it’s pro-women. Every women, on some level knows why men pose a risk to our female sexed bodies, that’s why there is (or still should be) provision for single sexed spaces. We understand safe-guarding, we understand that the majority of people are not a risk (including trans women and men), but safeguarding is for everyone, everyone has to jump through the hoops. We take the worst case possible scenario and apply it to everyone - no matter their Sex or how they identify - that’s how safeguarding works.

[quote Appledrop]@Isthatthebestyoucando Please explain to me how transgendered people are oppressed here in the UK?[/quote]
Sorry Apple, I was being sarcastic but it didn't deliver well. The very detailed post about women's oppression based on their biology was such a contrast to the way this group are treated, yet they still claim oppression status and label women 'cis' to denote privilege.

I urge every kind woman in the fence about this stuff to know that transwomen just want to be safe. They don’t want to refer to you by your body parts or any such nonsense.
@Wobblyhousehunt , genuine question, who is insisting we are referred to by our body parts then? I know very little about all this, I’m trying to learn, but if it’s not the trans women asking for this who is???