Just been kicked out of a group for objecting to being referred to as my reproductive organs

[Gerlais]

Group on Facebook. I was referred to as a “uterus owner”. I objected to this. I’m now banned from the group for being transphobic. Everyone piled on me and if I wasn’t kicked out I would have been leaving anyway. I don’t care what other people want to be called but I will not be referred to as my reproductive organs!! It’s not transphobic to want to be referred to as a woman if you were in fact born female and wish to remain a woman? surely?? Or AIBU?

Does anyone think that^^ transmen and 'nonbinary' females really don't know full well that health information relating to women isn't also very likely applicable to them?

This is what I've been thinking! Surely the transition process doesn't affect their memory?

It doesn't matter if it affects their memory or not though really. Because drs aren't allowed to question anything. If they withhold the fact they are female then that's it.

If someone came into the ER complaining aliens were about to abduct them or that they had 4 other peope inside them then the drs would have the ability to assert whether or not they felt the patient was mentally competent enough to consent or not consent to treatment . This however, although biologically also untrue , has to be taken seriously and adhered to.

We have already seen a case where a transman's baby died as a result of not being able to question or discuss the truth about someone's sex .

@MrsBison as I've mentioned earlier in this thread, the Scottish Government are currently running cervical screening adverts on national radio stations which don't use the word woman once. They use 'those with a cervix'.

So do I believe that the OP's example (and countless others) are true? Yes.

What is your agenda in gaslighting women?

@Whatwouldscullydo

My last cervical screening invitation used the term “women and people with a cervix”. While this is much better than merely “people with a cervix”, it does confusingly imply either that women aren’t people or that women don’t have cervices. Perhaps, “women and other people with a cervix” would be the best compromise

How do you ensure that people with a cervix are aware they have a cervix. I mean it implies there is another group of people who have a cervix but don't explain who that group of people are. Is there a name for them?

Bear in mind that anyone registered male at their gp won't ve called fir testing. So if they were to come across literature about cervical cancer they would still have mo idea it applied to them.

Again only even.possinle cos someone down the line is prepared to be the " bad guy" and explain reality

In medical terms a cervix is a neck

Below is a doctor explaining how Cervical Stenosis can result in paralysis.

In medicine, which is based on clinical observations, knowing if the patient is male or female is important.

Different test protocols are developed because biology matters.
E.g. A male don't have a pregnant risk with scans using radioactive materials.

What duty of care has the healthcare profession to a female who sought medical assistance and was given hormones and requested the biological marker be changed?

At a minimum should it be that the HCP explained the body parts and how the hormones will change how they work?

If that happens why should public policy be to put women who have not had that level of engagement at risk?

If HCP's are changing the word woman why not choose the medical classifications HCP work with and replace woman with female?

@Waitwhat23

Yes, you are right regarding the advert. But apart from specific clinical related conversations/messages, terminology like that is rarely used. E.g. very unlikely in a facebook group

If HCP's are changing the word woman why not choose the medical classifications HCP work with and replace woman with female

I dont see wht the medical professionals have to go along with any of it at all tbh.

How does it work with insurance? If a patient sued and terms had been adapted for a trans patient then the argument could be that they weren't fully informed. Or that by merely going along with what the patient said it helped lead them towards a particular line of treatment.

Medical staff already have alot to remember. Instead of having to remember pronouns or identities on top it would probably just be easier to remove the layer if stress of messing up all together and just call every one " the patient" or talk about chest feeding etc

I recently tried to join a face book page. A cooking page of all things.
The entry requirements were all " inclusion"

Blanket policies seem to be the norm rather than just adaptive

Seems even cookery is not immune to this stuff

Yes but apart from.... it's not happening... (so shut up!)

Honestly, it's all getting a bit silly. Either own it and explain why it's ok or deal with that it isn't ok. Pretending its not happening looks a bit desperate to avoid facing up to it.

@Whatwouldscullydo

All what?

[quote MrsBison]@Waitwhat23

Yes, you are right regarding the advert. But apart from specific clinical related conversations/messages, terminology like that is rarely used. E.g. very unlikely in a facebook group[/quote]
Oh stop it. Calling women liars whilst acknowledging formal, clinical uses of the same terminology just look like a slow creep towards saying you've been misunderstood, or have changed your mind!

My irony meter just broke 😆

Sorry. Wrong button and not enough caffeine.

«So much of the world is designed around men (as documented by Caroline Criado Perez).

WITS Ireland (women in technology and science) last year issued a grovelling apology because they chose this as their book club read and got lambasted for it.

So instead they decided to have a slagging off session where they could rip her work to shreds, discuss how those women were actually really privileged, and how they should all be centering ladydick.»

Dost mine eyes deceive me?
(Sorry copy/paste is really quite beyond me. Must be my wimmenly brain)
I had a little cry when I read the picture in the above post 😱🤯🤮

@Artichokeleaves

Sorry. Wrong button and not enough caffeine.

I'll forgive you, this once.

Is it possible that someone might find the responses to their intentionally provocative behaviour erm... validating?

I had a little cry when I read the picture in the above post

I was trying desperately to ignore it. It's utterly batshit!

@FOJN

Is it possible that someone might find the responses to their intentionally provocative behaviour erm... validating?

Sorry, I was taking a call from Bunbury.

Didn't mean to ignore you 🙂

Reported Buffalo Bill for PA

Ah, yes @FOJN. You are right, of course.

@MrsBison , I am actually confused regarding how you think here. My understanding is that you are calling women transphobic for being upset about being called uterus owners?

And on another thread in AIBU now , a misogynistic, ableist little bully is using “trans” as an insult to a girl who wears trousers? And your advice is to ignore that blatant transphobia and tell the girl to wear a skirt? It was like you didn’t even notice it.

@MrsBison You bet your arse this is really happening. I'm seeing examples of it everywhere at the moment; countless mumsnet and twitter threads where women have either been banned from Facebook groups or made extremely unwelcome because they've used dared to use 'triggering and non-inclusive language' (ie, referred to 'women' rather than 'people with a uterus/person who menstruates etc) or the group has been taken over by certain members obviously using it to vaildate their identity (see the recent thread by a mumsnetter who was banned from a make-up group and called a transphobe for asking a transwoman member to stop posting pictures of themselves in their underwear).

I've actually left a parenting group I was on because it all of a sudden became very preoccupied with chest-feeding, birthing people and people who menstruate. The word mother is now nowhere to be seen, despite it being originally set up primarily to support new mums (and dads) in a particularly deprived area. Lots of 'gentle reminders' for members to use inclusive language and #bekind, and grovelling apologies by the mods if any posts made it onto the main feed that weren't 100000000% gender neutral.

You may not see it, but it doesn't mean it's not happening.

@MrsBison

Do you guys actually believe a woman was referred to as uterus owner on a facebook group....?

You're either smart and using gullable people's fear/ignorance for your own cause; or you are the gullable person who actually believes it.

Your inability to spell gullible is... apposite.

@Whatwouldscullydo

If HCP's are changing the word woman why not choose the medical classifications HCP work with and replace woman with female

I dont see wht the medical professionals have to go along with any of it at all tbh.

How does it work with insurance? If a patient sued and terms had been adapted for a trans patient then the argument could be that they weren't fully informed. Or that by merely going along with what the patient said it helped lead them towards a particular line of treatment.

Medical staff already have alot to remember. Instead of having to remember pronouns or identities on top it would probably just be easier to remove the layer if stress of messing up all together and just call every one " the patient" or talk about chest feeding etc

HCP deal with all sorts an Oncologist, GP, nurse etc can treat a patient with cancer without ever using the word cancer and using what ever words the patient was comfortable with. Now the HCP would establish that the patient was competent enough to link their chosen word with the medical term/need. The HCP may even refer them on for MH support as not being able to use words is isolating and a barrier to receiving family and community support.

Same for dealing with any other issue that a patient brings to the table.

The HCP in the 1st world will write notes on the basis of the notes being used against them in criminal or civil court. It's one of the reasons they won't rely on someone else's notes.