Just been kicked out of a group for objecting to being referred to as my reproductive organs

[Gerlais]

Group on Facebook. I was referred to as a “uterus owner”. I objected to this. I’m now banned from the group for being transphobic. Everyone piled on me and if I wasn’t kicked out I would have been leaving anyway. I don’t care what other people want to be called but I will not be referred to as my reproductive organs!! It’s not transphobic to want to be referred to as a woman if you were in fact born female and wish to remain a woman? surely?? Or AIBU?

I don’t understand why we all can’t just get along and be kind to each other?

But I don’t want to be called a uterus haver.
I was hoping to join a menopause group as I am having terrible symptoms. But I really don’t want to be dealing with this at the moment . I have no idea of what I can and can’t say.

I don’t understand why we all can’t just get along and be kind to each other?

At one point we were there was only just under 5000 with a grc quietly getting on with things that women turned a blind eye too.

Then SW decided they would expand the trans umbrella to include everyone from those who have full on surgeries to part time cross dressers and that we should just welcome them all on their say so

And somehow it's women that are in the wring and jot SW amd other allies for getting greedy amd turning womens spaces into " anyone who wants to use them ir just not he safe in the mens " spaces

I don’t understand why we all can’t just get along and be kind to each other?

Of course, but the issue is that being 'kind' apparently involves denying biological reality.

I don’t understand why we all can’t just get along and be kind to each other?

Do you think TRA are basically being kind when they are actively stamping over female boundaries or wanting laws changed which completely remove female protections and stop us being able to advocate for ourselves as a sex class?

Do you think it's kind that we are now being named by our body parts and functions whilst headlines about male sex offenders read, "WOMAN EXPOSED HER PENIS IN PUBLIC"?

Do you think it's kind lie to children that they can change sex, and remove child safeguarding in schools to appease a very vocal minority?

#bekind is aimed at women and girls. It means, ignore your own boundaries and discomfort and give penis owners priority at all times. Emotional blackmail.

@WorriedMumsDontSleep

am someone who supports trans rights

Which rights do you think trans people need that they don't have?

Interested to know what you think should be done when there's a clash of rights. Like the female sexual abuse survivor who had to self exclude because a trans women started attending, despite a men's and non binary trans group options being available.

Are these the rights you are so keen on supporting? Or would you support a rape victim wanting a female only therapy space.

@wobblyhousehunt

Thank you for coming onto this thread for presenting/defending the rights of trans people.

I am genuinely interested in your answer to the question posed yesterday.

Should biological female rape victims be entitled to a therapy space that only has biological females in the group? (Especially where trans people already have a non-binary/trans group they can access.)

Yes or no?

#bekind is aimed at women and girls. It means, ignore your own boundaries and discomfort and give penis owners priority at all times. Emotional blackmail.

This, with bells on. I very rarely see anything that could be called hate speech or intimidation from feminists. I do, however, see signs at a woman’s rights conference saying “SUCK MY LADY DICK YOU CUNT”. I do see JK Rowling saying that she’s had so many death threats she could paper her house with them. I do see academics hounded out of their jobs by flare-waving balaclava-clad students.

Of course, they usual answer to this is a dismissive “Oh well, both sides are as bad as each other” which translates as “I don’t want to have to face the reality of this”.

#bekind can kiss my arse.

1500 votes, 97% do not think OP is being unreasonable.

Most people are kind and don’t think kindness is something to sneer at.

It is not unkind to want vulnerable women and girls to have words to describe themselves and to have same sex safe spaces.

I'm absolutely sick to the teeth of being asked to be kind at the expense of women and girls.

The only unkindness I see is from males putting their wants in front of the needs of women and girls.

You are the unkind one, you are the one sneering at women for refusing to capitulate to your demands.

I am genuinely more scared for the little trans girl at my sons school than i am sharing space with a transwoman. My heart breaks thinking of her going off to school without her mum to protect her knowing that there are people who despise her because of who she is

Little trans girl? Primary school age? Where has a young child got the idea from to think they are the opposite sex?

I'm more worried about all the female children and adolescents having their facilities made mixed sex to accommodate male individuals with a gender identity in a time when sexual harassment and offences by teenage boys is rife.

You might be happy sharing facilities with a member of the opposite sex but most of us aren't and I would rather protect females than males with a gender identity who think they have a right to female single sex spaces.

This idea that claiming a trans identity suddenly makes a subset of adult males entirely harmless and the most vulnerable people to have ever existed is both absurdly naive and dangerous.

[quote SolasAnla]@Appledrop
You and all of the women know that the male is not going through a natural part of the lifecycle of women.
Its not something a human of either sex can identify into.
His action has resulted in you self excluding.
Rather that being blunt and telling the male that the group is not for or about males the Admins have abandoned the core mission of the group.

@MushMonster
What are the unique elements in the gender role which a female and a male who identifies as a woman share which is different from the unique elements in the gender role which a male and a female who identifies as a woman share?

What is the logic you are using to differentiate between a unknownn male you will be naked with and one you will not be naked with?

Ireland has about 350 males who through self ID have been given the right to strip naked beside you in a female changing room.
At least 2 of them have appeared in the criminal courts. Do you want to guess what the allegations were?[/quote]
@SolasAnla I agree. I feel for those women who are in the group who perhaps never even noticed the thread and are still posting what I would call very private intimate things about themselves. Would they still choose to if they knew? As soon as I was made aware of the fact that trans women were in the group I took a large step back, my choice, my right. The mods on the thread made it clear that they would delete any negativity towards trans. Perhaps one day soon I will have the guts to say something. It's practically impossible to know which groups if any these days are strictly for biological women only, it's becoming a mine-field for women these days, so unfair.

@Appiandterri

YADNBU. I wonder what they call women like myself who’ve had a hysterectomy.

Ex uterus owner maybe?

You know what, I've never thought of it like that. But that is an incredibly good question. Where would you fit in all the 'people who menstruate' bollocks?

I mean, I think it's all a pile of shite. You are a woman, I am a woman. If other people want to refer to themselves as whatever else that's fine, but we should be able to retain our label too.

I don’t understand why we all can’t just get along and be kind to each other?

Because unfortunately, a minority of people see kindness as weakness. Such people aren’t prepared to compromise. Instead, they’ll keep on pushing against other people’s boundaries.

I can't seem to vote but YANBU OP.

With reference to the aforementioned 'princess' I'm just thinking about if that child was in the same class as my little granddaughter. My little one would be expected to ignore her sense of reality, her sense of safety, her sense of fairness to validate the feelings of the 'princess'. Forcing a female child to unlearn her own boundaries in this way is extremely concerning. Who does it benefit for that generation of children to learn that boys come first, and their feelings don't matter one bit. Certainly it's not for my granddaughter's well being is it? Where's the compassion and 'be kind' for her?

@Whatwouldscullydo

I don’t understand why we all can’t just get along and be kind to each other?

At one point we were there was only just under 5000 with a grc quietly getting on with things that women turned a blind eye too.

Then SW decided they would expand the trans umbrella to include everyone from those who have full on surgeries to part time cross dressers and that we should just welcome them all on their say so

And somehow it's women that are in the wring and jot SW amd other allies for getting greedy amd turning womens spaces into " anyone who wants to use them ir just not he safe in the mens " spaces

Yep.

@EmpressCixi

“Uterus owner” is simply misogynist code for “cunt” in my opinion. It’s sexism cloaked in polite words, but no less offensive in their intent.

This. Will Bells on it.

Are we never to wonder why trans men don't seem to encroach on men's terminology / rights quite so much as Trans women?

Sorry, meant to add more to that. Here's an umbrella, from cross dressers to drag queens, 3rd gender, midlings (I'm guessing someone who thinks this they're in between but I haven't a clue!). Female spaces are now anyone who feels like it spaces.

Female based language linking womanhood exclusively to female biology is now bigoted. Hence the uterus haver. One could argue it's because it's offensive to transmen so uterus haver is more neutral, but then try calling transwomen prostate havers and see where that gets you. Doesn't work the other way, only woman, breastfeeding, mother gets the can. Men get left alone.

Has my question bee answered yet?

Do we know what rights the poster thinks they should have that they don't?
I did read their posts but they appeared to imply that in the case of the raped women self excluding from the support group, the trans women was there because they had nowhere to go. Thus accidentally making the group mixed self with the presence of a male.

That's not what happened so let's try again.

Seeing as there was a group both for men and trans and non binary people running parallel to this group, would the poster support the woman on saying the women's sexual abuse group should have been kept single sex.

Was it reasonable to keep the person with a penis out from the group of women who had been violated by a person with a penis and were there to heal.

Or should the women just be kind and let them in at cost to their own healing?

3% think you're being unreasonable. Wonder who they are?

I am a woman and a mother. Not a uterus owner, a chest feeder or any of the other potty language used to make men feel better.

Better off out of that group I think.

Do we know what rights the poster thinks they should have that they don't?

I think this is a fascinating question. Gender reassignment is a protected characteristics under the equalities act which means they have exactly the same rights as everyone else.

The GRA gives trans people the right to be issued with a new birth certificate with a new name and sex (should be gender) marker, most other official documents can be changed without a GRC.

Who else can apply for a birth certificate with different details to the original?

One could argue that some trans people have privileges the rest of us don't. Self ID would extend that privilege to anyone who simply asks for it. If a birth certificate can be changed to reflect the way someone feels then what useful purpose do they serve? Could someone get their date of birth changed if they feel you get or older than they actually are? If not, why not?

younger or older than they actually are

3% think you're being unreasonable. Wonder who they are?

That's 45 people. Almost all of whom won't post and explain themselves.

Somehow that feels bloody brilliant. In real life it is usually me who can't speak up and has to put up with the wokeist of bullshit.

Weird that anonymity prevents them from speaking up!!

@WorriedMumsDontSleep

Has my question bee answered yet?

Do we know what rights the poster thinks they should have that they don't?
I did read their posts but they appeared to imply that in the case of the raped women self excluding from the support group, the trans women was there because they had nowhere to go. Thus accidentally making the group mixed self with the presence of a male.

That's not what happened so let's try again.

Seeing as there was a group both for men and trans and non binary people running parallel to this group, would the poster support the woman on saying the women's sexual abuse group should have been kept single sex.

Was it reasonable to keep the person with a penis out from the group of women who had been violated by a person with a penis and were there to heal.

Or should the women just be kind and let them in at cost to their own healing?

@worriedmumsdontsleep

I re-posted your question at 08.48 today and asked @wobblyhousehunt to give a yes or no answer.

@Tryagainplease

This has given me the rage.

I AM A WOMAN

There, I said it.

Do you really think that anyone anywhere is preventing us from calling ourselves women? This really is dog-whistle nonsense, along the lines of we're not allowed to call Christmas "Christmas" any more due to "political correctness gone mad"!

Well I might be waiting a while for that answer then.

Tbh I consider any adult that refers to any child, male or female, as 'a little princess' above the age of four to be unreasonable.

Of course we're being told that little babies removing clothes is an indication of trans these days, so perhaps the child in question is under four.

Do you really think that anyone anywhere is preventing us from calling ourselves women? This really is dog-whistle nonsense, along the lines of we're not allowed to call Christmas "Christmas" any more due to "political correctness gone mad"!

You can repeat that ad nauseum, and keep on ignoring the answers you have already received.

I have a question or two though. Why are you not questioning the reasons behind the very obvious changes that are happening right in front of you? Why are you constantly replying, trying to downplay what is happening to real people, in real life?